K Date Luger & Holster

Motown · 01-18-2016, 04:41 PM

I've recently posted some pics of a K Date Luger and Holster; any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I know just about enough to be dangerous... The magazine base is marked with a matching serial #, but is obviously of the wrong type to be original.

DavidJayUden · 01-18-2016, 05:03 PM

Please paste a link to that thread.
dju

Edward Tinker · 01-18-2016, 06:27 PM

His album - I assume this is the one he is talking about...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=493
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Motown · 01-18-2016, 07:42 PM

Apologies; the pics were all posted in the Albums as Ed found above - I thought I'd put in some pics but they didn't come thru for some reason. Thanks Ed!!

spartacus38 · 01-18-2016, 08:29 PM

I specialize in collecting K Date Lugers.I will be glad to discuss yours with you.
Please email your phone number and I will give you a call.
Spartacus38@charter.net
Bob

DavidJayUden · 01-18-2016, 09:11 PM

Overall it looks like a nice gun. The side plate appears to be un-numbered, and the extractor is a replacement part too.
What were you wanting to know?
dju

Motown · 01-18-2016, 10:18 PM

Appreciate the input; Bob, I'll e mail you separately & look fwd to learning from your expertise. DJU, how can you tell the extractor is a replacement? Generally, I'm looking for any details or information on the weapon; I collect mil weapons and have several - but only the one Luger and like I said, the details are so minute and many that I know just enough to be a novice...

DavidJayUden · 01-18-2016, 10:41 PM

I'm basing that on a sort of sloppy fit, AND because it is not numbered.
dju

Edward Tinker · 01-18-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Motown

Appreciate the input; Bob, I'll e mail you separately & look fwd to learning from your expertise. ...

This is not the purpose of this forum - its supposed to be that everyone can learn.

SHARING of information helps out many folks, not just one.

Several times a month, I will receive an email asking for a private evaluation - I tell them, thats what the forum is for

spartacus38 · 01-19-2016, 12:15 AM

To Motown,
DavidJayUden has covered the main points about the K date plus the mag is not a K date mag
and the holster has a stick wing eagle proof which came after the 1934 date.Also the serial # on the bottom of the barrel should have Halos.
Hope this helps.
Bob

Dick Herman · 01-19-2016, 02:04 AM

Bob (spartacus38),

Do you have a list of K dates that you could share with us? If this is your mission, would you like do build your list?

spartacus38 · 01-19-2016, 03:25 AM

Hi Dick,I do not have a list of K dates.
I did post a list of known 1914 DWM Artillery Lugers.
Bob

Sergio Natali · 01-19-2016, 03:31 AM

Ed

It's amazing, this morning as I was reading the posts of this thread I was exactly thinking the same thing!

CJS57 · 01-19-2016, 08:52 AM

I looks like a humped frame that stated in 1937?

Norme · 01-19-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CJS57

I looks like a humped frame that stated in 1937?

Most, but not all, K dates have humped frames. This feature was dropped by Mauser in 1935 (G dates) and then reintroduced in mid 1937.
Norm

Sergio Natali · 01-19-2016, 09:53 AM

CJS57
Perhaps I've not really understood your question, but FWIK the so called "Mauser hump" can be found mainly on early K Lugers and some Lugers with hump can be found among the K production.
Later on, "G" dated ones hardly had the hump, but towards the end of 1937 if I'm not wrong, the hump became quite common in Mauser production.
Just to complicate the life of nowadays collectors S/42 made in 1937 have several variations, among them there was a last strawed variation with the hump while later still Mauser produced only blued Lugers all of them with the hump.
But basically nothing is ever written in stone, I enclose a picture of my strawed "K" Luger wihout the hump...

mrerick · 01-19-2016, 10:12 AM

To be clear, the "hump" is not the addition of metal at the rear of the receiver.

The presence of the "hump" is actually the result of an additional milling procedure which removed metal below the area of the rear toggle hinge.

After the early 1937 engineering change, new receivers all had the "hump". It is, of course, possible that older receivers were used out of manufacturing sequence...

I wonder why Mauser stopped milling away the area from 1935 until 1937? It was certainly a reduction of labor and time to manufacture...

Marc

DonVoigt · 01-19-2016, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

To be clear, the "hump" is not the addition of metal at the rear of the receiver.

The presence of the "hump" is actually the result of an additional milling procedure which removed metal below the area of the rear toggle hinge.

After the early 1937 engineering change, new receivers all had the "hump". It is, of course, possible that older receivers were used out of manufacturing sequence...

I wonder why Mauser stopped milling away the area from 1935 until 1937? It was certainly a reduction of labor and time to manufacture...

Marc

I wonder why they ever started,and again why it was resumed?
As you say, extra and seemingly un-necessary work.

guns3545 · 01-19-2016, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I wonder why they ever started,and again why it was resumed?
As you say, extra and seemingly un-necessary work.

This may help answer the question. All had to do with the retaining the rear axle pin..

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=35248

John

Sergio Natali · 01-19-2016, 12:31 PM

In my opinions MAUSER early Luger production was somehow unsettled, and some decision I would say unclear, anyway I can only assume that the fisrt "K" Lugers were among the first guns made during the German rearmament, so it's possible that they were still experimenting.
But I'm not an expert on German Lugers, so I hope the real experts will soon chime in.

Regards.

01-18-2016, 04:41 PM	#1
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	K Date Luger & Holster I've recently posted some pics of a K Date Luger and Holster; any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I know just about enough to be dangerous... The magazine base is marked with a matching serial #, but is obviously of the wrong type to be original. __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-18-2016, 06:27 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	His album - I assume this is the one he is talking about... http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=493 . . . __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-18-2016, 07:42 PM	#4
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Apologies; the pics were all posted in the Albums as Ed found above - I thought I'd put in some pics but they didn't come thru for some reason. Thanks Ed!! __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-18-2016, 10:18 PM	#7
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Appreciate the input; Bob, I'll e mail you separately & look fwd to learning from your expertise. DJU, how can you tell the extractor is a replacement? Generally, I'm looking for any details or information on the weapon; I collect mil weapons and have several - but only the one Luger and like I said, the details are so minute and many that I know just enough to be a novice... __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-19-2016, 03:31 AM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Ed It's amazing, this morning as I was reading the posts of this thread I was exactly thinking the same thing! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-18-2016, 05:03 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Please paste a link to that thread. dju

01-18-2016, 08:29 PM	#5
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	I specialize in collecting K Date Lugers.I will be glad to discuss yours with you. Please email your phone number and I will give you a call. Spartacus38@charter.net Bob

01-18-2016, 09:11 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Overall it looks like a nice gun. The side plate appears to be un-numbered, and the extractor is a replacement part too. What were you wanting to know? dju

01-18-2016, 10:41 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm basing that on a sort of sloppy fit, AND because it is not numbered. dju

01-19-2016, 12:15 AM	#10
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	To Motown, DavidJayUden has covered the main points about the K date plus the mag is not a K date mag and the holster has a stick wing eagle proof which came after the 1934 date.Also the serial # on the bottom of the barrel should have Halos. Hope this helps. Bob

01-19-2016, 02:04 AM	#11
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Bob (spartacus38), Do you have a list of K dates that you could share with us? If this is your mission, would you like do build your list?

01-19-2016, 03:25 AM	#12
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Hi Dick,I do not have a list of K dates. I did post a list of known 1914 DWM Artillery Lugers. Bob

01-19-2016, 08:52 AM	#14
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	I looks like a humped frame that stated in 1937?

01-19-2016, 10:12 AM	#17
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	To be clear, the "hump" is not the addition of metal at the rear of the receiver. The presence of the "hump" is actually the result of an additional milling procedure which removed metal below the area of the rear toggle hinge. After the early 1937 engineering change, new receivers all had the "hump". It is, of course, possible that older receivers were used out of manufacturing sequence... I wonder why Mauser stopped milling away the area from 1935 until 1937? It was certainly a reduction of labor and time to manufacture... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-19-2016, 12:31 PM	#20
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	In my opinions MAUSER early Luger production was somehow unsettled, and some decision I would say unclear, anyway I can only assume that the fisrt "K" Lugers were among the first guns made during the German rearmament, so it's possible that they were still experimenting. But I'm not an expert on German Lugers, so I hope the real experts will soon chime in. Regards. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.