Gas/Blank Pistols

ithacaartist · 08-13-2015, 08:06 PM

While perusing e-guns, the European counterpart to Gunbroker, I came upon the Erma KGP 690. It is basically the KGP 69 (a .22lr) with a different top-end and, presumably, mag. The 690 is chambered in 8mm Kurz, and handles what are probably proprietary rounds that are made in blank, pepper gas, and CS gas format, in a configuration that is shorter than the rifle round of the same caliber, which appears to have done away with the dimension the bullet adds beyond the bottle-neck brass. I think the 690 is also semi-auto, single action.

The price range on the auction site seems reasonable for what they are, and there's one offered by a seller who will ship internationally. I asked my FFL dealer if it is legal to have one of them in NY State, but he did not know, and suggested I contact the BATFE. I'm prepared to find that NY probably has its own restrictions on their use or possession.

To get started on finding the relevant info about this, I'm asking if any of our illustrious forum members is versed in the regulations concerning gas/blank pistols, or is able to steer me to the info. Thanks!

John Sabato · 08-14-2015, 12:10 PM

No clue -- But I am sure it varies from state to state... Sounds like a search of NY law might be in order...

ithacaartist · 08-14-2015, 05:33 PM

Already been through the applicable NY Penal Code, and more. The definitions seem to rule them out as "firearms" because of no projectiles, and I can find no mention of them as dangerous weapons so far. It is illegal to brandish something that looks like a gun.

08-13-2015, 08:06 PM	#1
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	Gas/Blank Pistols While perusing e-guns, the European counterpart to Gunbroker, I came upon the Erma KGP 690. It is basically the KGP 69 (a .22lr) with a different top-end and, presumably, mag. The 690 is chambered in 8mm Kurz, and handles what are probably proprietary rounds that are made in blank, pepper gas, and CS gas format, in a configuration that is shorter than the rifle round of the same caliber, which appears to have done away with the dimension the bullet adds beyond the bottle-neck brass. I think the 690 is also semi-auto, single action. The price range on the auction site seems reasonable for what they are, and there's one offered by a seller who will ship internationally. I asked my FFL dealer if it is legal to have one of them in NY State, but he did not know, and suggested I contact the BATFE. I'm prepared to find that NY probably has its own restrictions on their use or possession. To get started on finding the relevant info about this, I'm asking if any of our illustrious forum members is versed in the regulations concerning gas/blank pistols, or is able to steer me to the info. Thanks! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-14-2015, 12:10 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	No clue -- But I am sure it varies from state to state... Sounds like a search of NY law might be in order... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-14-2015, 05:33 PM	#3
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	Already been through the applicable NY Penal Code, and more. The definitions seem to rule them out as "firearms" because of no projectiles, and I can find no mention of them as dangerous weapons so far. It is illegal to brandish something that looks like a gun. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894