Cutest Baby Browning MG!

ithacaartist · 01-20-2015, 02:52 AM

Full auto! https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=dyZotfFLsXk

alanint · 01-20-2015, 06:52 AM

Both a 1919A4 in .22 Long Rifle and a Browning M2 in .22 Mag were originally manufactured by Tippman Arms in the 1980s. The 1986 ban on the new manufacture of machineguns put a serious damper in their business, as a semi beltfed .22 is really nowhere near as much fun as a full auto. They were also fairly expensive back then at something like $1,200.

My friend Eric Graetz of Lakeside Machine bought all the remaining parts and tooling. He manufactured a very few Post samples, (not many Police forces are interested in a beltfed .22, but some did get transferred as "training aids").

Eric now dedicates himself to making beltfed uppers for the AR platform, which allows anybody with a registered lower to have fun with an inexpensive to shoot .22 beltfed gun. Semi is also possible, but I just don't see the fun in that.

Hs website is rudimentary, but here it is for those interested.

http://www.lakesideguns.com/

alvin · 01-20-2015, 07:38 AM

On another forum, a collector told us that he registered as a SOT (?), so he played various kinds of AK47s, UZI, etc at much lower price (not transferable, dealer samples, so price is much lower). But an annoying issue as a SOT that he met was... BATF agent did visit his residence and checked his records (everything is legal, no problems found, of course). That was about 10 years ago. Some years have passed, not sure he still plays those MGs or not nowadays.

alanint · 01-20-2015, 08:02 AM

BATF has clauses, which disallow SOTs, (special occupational tax) holders from obtaining licenses merely to enhance personal collections. There must be proof of actual business taking place. Many of these occasional SOTs like to shift guns around in order to pad their transfer book. Some have also managed Class 2 status in order to manufacture their own guns from parts kits. The caveats are that you can only keep Pre-May, 1986 Dealer Samples if you drop your SOT and/or FFL. Since this practice is now well known, Pre May Dealer Samples have risen in value accordingly. Class 2 Manufacturers may not keep any of the things they build, should they drop their license, as anything they made are Post May Dealer Samples by definition and must be transferred out upon surrendering of the license.

rhuff · 01-20-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Full auto! https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=dyZotfFLsXk

Now that baby Browning is something that I could really get into......if one could find 22LR ammo to purchase!!

01-20-2015, 02:52 AM	#1
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01-20-2015, 06:52 AM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Both a 1919A4 in .22 Long Rifle and a Browning M2 in .22 Mag were originally manufactured by Tippman Arms in the 1980s. The 1986 ban on the new manufacture of machineguns put a serious damper in their business, as a semi beltfed .22 is really nowhere near as much fun as a full auto. They were also fairly expensive back then at something like $1,200. My friend Eric Graetz of Lakeside Machine bought all the remaining parts and tooling. He manufactured a very few Post samples, (not many Police forces are interested in a beltfed .22, but some did get transferred as "training aids"). Eric now dedicates himself to making beltfed uppers for the AR platform, which allows anybody with a registered lower to have fun with an inexpensive to shoot .22 beltfed gun. Semi is also possible, but I just don't see the fun in that. Hs website is rudimentary, but here it is for those interested. http://www.lakesideguns.com/

01-20-2015, 07:38 AM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	On another forum, a collector told us that he registered as a SOT (?), so he played various kinds of AK47s, UZI, etc at much lower price (not transferable, dealer samples, so price is much lower). But an annoying issue as a SOT that he met was... BATF agent did visit his residence and checked his records (everything is legal, no problems found, of course). That was about 10 years ago. Some years have passed, not sure he still plays those MGs or not nowadays.

01-20-2015, 08:02 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	BATF has clauses, which disallow SOTs, (special occupational tax) holders from obtaining licenses merely to enhance personal collections. There must be proof of actual business taking place. Many of these occasional SOTs like to shift guns around in order to pad their transfer book. Some have also managed Class 2 status in order to manufacture their own guns from parts kits. The caveats are that you can only keep Pre-May, 1986 Dealer Samples if you drop your SOT and/or FFL. Since this practice is now well known, Pre May Dealer Samples have risen in value accordingly. Class 2 Manufacturers may not keep any of the things they build, should they drop their license, as anything they made are Post May Dealer Samples by definition and must be transferred out upon surrendering of the license.