New to collection a 1911

Tony Min · 11-17-2013, 02:11 PM

My collection so far has a wide focus. Among them is a BYF 42 P38, my last buy was my 1916 DWM P08 and now I finally have a nice 1911. I won't get it in my possession for a couple of weeks yet but here are the two pics from the seller that made me decide to jump on it.
Next will be a WW2 PP.
It is a 1944 all original finish Remington Rand 1911 A1 US Army.

Maestro · 11-17-2013, 07:11 PM

I know what you mean Tony; these are iconic guns!!

here's its younger brother!!

Sergio Natali · 11-18-2013, 08:04 AM

In the past I used to collect 1911, I had two Remington Rand and two Colt 1911 a1; beautiful and fascinating guns, congratulations-

tudorbug · 11-18-2013, 11:48 AM

I would not mind owning a Colt 1911A1.

David

kurusu · 11-18-2013, 11:51 AM

My 1911A1 is a battered mismatch Augusta Arsenal rebuild, yours is much much better.

Tony Min · 11-18-2013, 02:01 PM

$1500. Figured a good deal for what appears to be a 98% gun

rhuff · 11-18-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

I know what you mean Tony; these are iconic guns!!

here's its younger brother!!

I would consider your 1911 as an older brother to the 1911A1.

Zorba · 11-18-2013, 05:11 PM

Yea, I'm jonesing for a RemRand for my collection too!

kurusu · 11-19-2013, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zormpas

Yea, I'm jonesing for a RemRand for my collection too!

I got half your wish. My rebuild is half REM half Ithaca.

Tony Min · 11-24-2013, 12:27 PM

I passed up a 1918 matching Colt for similar money but not as good a shape. The early Colts had no slide hardening at all. As I do shoot my guns.

Maestro · 11-24-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rhuff

I would consider your 1911 as an older brother to the 1911A1.

yes.. correct.. meant to say "older"

this one is also an "older" brother, 1943!!

Maestro · 11-24-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Min

$1500. Figured a good deal for what appears to be a 98% gun

Fantastic deal

Tony Min · 11-28-2013, 02:01 PM

These pics were taken at my FFL the other day. I have 8 more days. The gun looks better than expected and it doesn't really have the telltale signs of refinish. I also couldn't find arsenal rebuild marks. How the heck did it stay so perfect?

Sergio Natali · 11-29-2013, 04:03 AM

Well probably your 1911 has rested properly greased in a safe for a very long time, in fact from the photos are not really visible holster wear or other big scratches.
Remington Rand was the biggest producer of 1911A1 and basically made three series of 1911, first in 1942-43 s/n 916405/955000 second one in 1943 s/n 955000 / 980000 and the last one in 1943-45 s/n 980000 / 2465139
In 1944 Remington Rand made s/n from 1743847 to 1816641

1911 pistols are still in my heart since I used to collect them until a few years ago.

Congratulations again.

Sergio

rhuff · 11-29-2013, 05:00 PM

I can't really tell by the photos, but if that 1911A1 has not been refinished, then you should see a definite color difference in the slide where the distal 1/3 or so was heat treated. Once they are refinished, the color difference is not so distinct, especially if re-parkerized.

Tony Min · 12-09-2013, 06:57 PM

Had a fantastic time shooting the 1911 Saturday. Shoots just as good as my BIL's Kimber. Only his sights are better.
I got another winner...

MikeP · 12-11-2013, 04:48 AM

Nothing wrong with broad interest in collecting.
Accumulating is a good description.
Just when you think you have enough, something else pops up.
Most military pieces are interesting for whatever grabs your attention.
I have a 1911A1 I brought home from VN that has the colorization on the slide just mentioned.
It is a Colt slide on a RR frame.

Curly1 · 12-11-2013, 08:12 PM

A lot of them did not have rebuild markins on them, mine doesn"t.

The original finish on the barrels were blued and marked HS for High Standard Marked.

Mine was parked.

Tony Min · 12-13-2013, 11:29 AM

My barrel is a Flannery. These were made in 44 and mostly used as replacement barrels but I have read an unknown number were used as original equipment in Remington Rand's. My pistol also being a 1944 it might be one of those. The barrel is blued.

guns3545 · 12-13-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Min

My barrel is a Flannery. These were made in 44 and mostly used as replacement barrels but I have read an unknown number were used as original equipment in Remington Rand's. My pistol also being a 1944 it might be one of those. The barrel is blued.

It's not that uncommon to see a Flannery barrel in a 1944 RR or Ithaca although High Standard is more common.

Of the 313,000 or so barrels Flannery made from late 1943 to 1945, over 227,000 were delivered in 1944 and High Standard was working at full capacity.

BTW, nice gun. Congratulations.

John

11-17-2013, 02:11 PM	#1
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	New to collection a 1911 My collection so far has a wide focus. Among them is a BYF 42 P38, my last buy was my 1916 DWM P08 and now I finally have a nice 1911. I won't get it in my possession for a couple of weeks yet but here are the two pics from the seller that made me decide to jump on it. Next will be a WW2 PP. It is a 1944 all original finish Remington Rand 1911 A1 US Army.

11-18-2013, 08:04 AM	#3
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	In the past I used to collect 1911, I had two Remington Rand and two Colt 1911 a1; beautiful and fascinating guns, congratulations- __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 11-18-2013 at 12:29 PM.

11-29-2013, 04:03 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Well probably your 1911 has rested properly greased in a safe for a very long time, in fact from the photos are not really visible holster wear or other big scratches. Remington Rand was the biggest producer of 1911A1 and basically made three series of 1911, first in 1942-43 s/n 916405/955000 second one in 1943 s/n 955000 / 980000 and the last one in 1943-45 s/n 980000 / 2465139 In 1944 Remington Rand made s/n from 1743847 to 1816641 1911 pistols are still in my heart since I used to collect them until a few years ago. Congratulations again. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-11-2013, 08:12 PM	#18
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 126 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	A lot of them did not have rebuild markins on them, mine doesn"t. The original finish on the barrels were blued and marked HS for High Standard Marked. Mine was parked. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

11-18-2013, 11:48 AM	#4
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	I would not mind owning a Colt 1911A1. David

11-18-2013, 11:51 AM	#5
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	My 1911A1 is a battered mismatch Augusta Arsenal rebuild, yours is much much better.

11-18-2013, 02:01 PM	#6
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	$1500. Figured a good deal for what appears to be a 98% gun

11-18-2013, 05:11 PM	#8
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	Yea, I'm jonesing for a RemRand for my collection too!

11-24-2013, 12:27 PM	#10
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	I passed up a 1918 matching Colt for similar money but not as good a shape. The early Colts had no slide hardening at all. As I do shoot my guns.

11-28-2013, 02:01 PM	#13
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	These pics were taken at my FFL the other day. I have 8 more days. The gun looks better than expected and it doesn't really have the telltale signs of refinish. I also couldn't find arsenal rebuild marks. How the heck did it stay so perfect?

11-29-2013, 05:00 PM	#15
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,315 Thanks: 2,748 Thanked 998 Times in 733 Posts	I can't really tell by the photos, but if that 1911A1 has not been refinished, then you should see a definite color difference in the slide where the distal 1/3 or so was heat treated. Once they are refinished, the color difference is not so distinct, especially if re-parkerized.

12-09-2013, 06:57 PM	#16
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Had a fantastic time shooting the 1911 Saturday. Shoots just as good as my BIL's Kimber. Only his sights are better. I got another winner...

12-11-2013, 04:48 AM	#17
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Nothing wrong with broad interest in collecting. Accumulating is a good description. Just when you think you have enough, something else pops up. Most military pieces are interesting for whatever grabs your attention. I have a 1911A1 I brought home from VN that has the colorization on the slide just mentioned. It is a Colt slide on a RR frame.

12-13-2013, 11:29 AM	#19
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	My barrel is a Flannery. These were made in 44 and mostly used as replacement barrels but I have read an unknown number were used as original equipment in Remington Rand's. My pistol also being a 1944 it might be one of those. The barrel is blued.