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VJJpunisher · 09-19-2011, 04:38 PM

will get some up once I get home

lugerholsterrepair · 09-19-2011, 05:01 PM

since the toggle has been replaced and is a "42", who originally made it

If the chamber is marked 1920 then it had to have been made by DWM. At least that part of it and whatever else matches up to the upper receiver/barrel. You can look at the back of the frame and if it is perfectly flat it is DWM ...if it has a very slight bulge/hump it is Mauser.

sheepherder · 09-19-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VJJpunisher

I got it for 550 and am happy as a ...

...Mailman with an Uzi???

$550 is a great price, but we need pics of the markings, toggle, serial #, magazine, full side views, 1100 x 1100 pixels is max for this forum, many here use electron microscopes to take their pics...or so it seems...

Don M · 09-19-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

If the chamber is marked 1920 then it had to have been made by DWM.

Jerry, it is possible that this is a property stamp and not a date. We need photos.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-19-2011, 08:55 PM

Don, I am SURE it is probably a property mark. That's why it was made by DWM. Property mark or date..wouldn't make any difference. Made by DWM. I have never seen anything but a DWM with with a 1920 property mark.
By the time Mauser started making Lugers the 1920 property mark was long past.

Property markings were applied immediately after WW1 by the time the Weimar Govt. was established..there was no need for the 1920.

What else could it be?

Don M · 09-19-2011, 09:14 PM

Jerry, you are almost certainly correct that it is DWM but there are some issues. The vertical c/N suggests it was from an Alphabet DWM. If it is matched to the frame, the frame serial number suffix will tell us when it was manufactured.

A few police continued to use the 1920 property stamp into at least the mid-1920s.

Hopefully, photos will clear things up.

P.S. I have recorded quite a few police Erfurts with 1920 property stamps. Of course, these all also have a manufacture date.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-19-2011, 09:18 PM

Don, Yes..absolutely. Some things I forgot about! You are correct.

VJJpunisher · 09-20-2011, 01:20 PM

here it is, nothing fancy but its a start

VJJpunisher · 09-20-2011, 01:33 PM

forgot this one

Don M · 09-20-2011, 02:32 PM

It does appear that the frame, barrel and barrel extension are all from the same gun and that it was manufactured by DWM as a commercial pistol in 1923-24. I expect it is in .30 cal.

The 1920 is a property stamp and not a manufacture date. It's anyone's guess as to what it is doing there.

VJJpunisher · 09-20-2011, 02:37 PM

can you tell me anything about the grips, I havent seen any like that yet in my limited experience?

also, sorry for begginner questions, but what is a property stamp?

Don M · 09-20-2011, 02:42 PM

The grips are probably replacements. Others know more than I about these.

The short answer about the 1920 property stamp is that it was ordered to be applied to government-owned weapons in 1920 to distinguish them from privately owned weapons during the disarmament of the German people after WWI. For it to appear on a gun that was manufactured several years later is rare but not unkown.

VJJpunisher · 09-20-2011, 02:46 PM

thank you very much for the information

lugerholsterrepair · 09-20-2011, 06:40 PM

can you tell me anything about the grips,

These grips are Swiss.

VJJpunisher · 09-22-2011, 04:26 PM

so should I sell the swiss grips or just leave them be since it has a mismatched toggle anyhow?

Ron Wood · 09-22-2011, 04:52 PM

The grips are of the Swiss style, but are not Swiss since they are not relieved for a grip safety. Most likely they are a very good quality Italian replacement/reproduction. There probably would not be much to gain by selling them seperately.

VJJpunisher · 09-22-2011, 04:58 PM

thanks Ron, yeah I was leaning that way anyway, they have character

09-19-2011, 05:01 PM	#22
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	since the toggle has been replaced and is a "42", who originally made it If the chamber is marked 1920 then it had to have been made by DWM. At least that part of it and whatever else matches up to the upper receiver/barrel. You can look at the back of the frame and if it is perfectly flat it is DWM ...if it has a very slight bulge/hump it is Mauser. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-19-2011, 08:55 PM	#25
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Don, I am SURE it is probably a property mark. That's why it was made by DWM. Property mark or date..wouldn't make any difference. Made by DWM. I have never seen anything but a DWM with with a 1920 property mark. By the time Mauser started making Lugers the 1920 property mark was long past. Property markings were applied immediately after WW1 by the time the Weimar Govt. was established..there was no need for the 1920. What else could it be? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-19-2011, 09:14 PM	#26
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Jerry, you are almost certainly correct that it is DWM but there are some issues. The vertical c/N suggests it was from an Alphabet DWM. If it is matched to the frame, the frame serial number suffix will tell us when it was manufactured. A few police continued to use the 1920 property stamp into at least the mid-1920s. Hopefully, photos will clear things up. P.S. I have recorded quite a few police Erfurts with 1920 property stamps. Of course, these all also have a manufacture date. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-19-2011, 09:18 PM	#27
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Don, Yes..absolutely. Some things I forgot about! You are correct. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-20-2011, 01:20 PM	#28
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	here it is, nothing fancy but its a start Attached Thumbnails

09-19-2011, 04:38 PM	#21
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	will get some up once I get home

09-20-2011, 01:33 PM	#29
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	forgot this one Attached Thumbnails

09-20-2011, 02:32 PM	#30
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	It does appear that the frame, barrel and barrel extension are all from the same gun and that it was manufactured by DWM as a commercial pistol in 1923-24. I expect it is in .30 cal. The 1920 is a property stamp and not a manufacture date. It's anyone's guess as to what it is doing there. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-20-2011, 02:37 PM	#31
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	can you tell me anything about the grips, I havent seen any like that yet in my limited experience? also, sorry for begginner questions, but what is a property stamp?

09-20-2011, 02:42 PM	#32
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The grips are probably replacements. Others know more than I about these. The short answer about the 1920 property stamp is that it was ordered to be applied to government-owned weapons in 1920 to distinguish them from privately owned weapons during the disarmament of the German people after WWI. For it to appear on a gun that was manufactured several years later is rare but not unkown. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-20-2011, 02:46 PM	#33
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	thank you very much for the information

09-20-2011, 06:40 PM	#34
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	can you tell me anything about the grips, These grips are Swiss. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-22-2011, 04:26 PM	#35
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	so should I sell the swiss grips or just leave them be since it has a mismatched toggle anyhow?

09-22-2011, 04:52 PM	#36
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	The grips are of the Swiss style, but are not Swiss since they are not relieved for a grip safety. Most likely they are a very good quality Italian replacement/reproduction. There probably would not be much to gain by selling them seperately. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-22-2011, 04:58 PM	#37
VJJpunisher User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	thanks Ron, yeah I was leaning that way anyway, they have character