Ron Wood Should Know This One!!

cirelaw · 02-09-2011, 02:05 PM

Up to now how many books have be published on our favorite topic and if You could name 2 or 3, what would they be? I'll post my picks as soon as I take a look! I'm reinquiring now after I posed this topic years ago and since many fine books have been published even our fallen heroes!Please don't name these five masterpiece as they stand by themselves! They all seem to age well!

Hugo Borchardt · 02-09-2011, 02:25 PM

Great topic. I have many Luger books, but I find myself consulting these three constantly:

1) Aarron Davis: Standard Catalog of Luger. I understand it's limitations, but this is a great reference guide that has more than once helped me identify an unusual variation. Ashamed it hasn't been maintained and updated.

2) Michael Reese: 1900 Luger U.S. Test Trials: The missing US test trials serial #s (non-Bannerman) are one of the great mysteries of our hobby, and I hope I get to see it solved in my lifetime. I would like to see someone (Ron Wood) write a fresh new book on this subject including the actual Bannerman records and other new information.

3) Noll: The Imperial German Regimental Marking: What a well-done, well-researched book! Not only defines unit markings, but also lists a cornucopia of example unit marked guns.

Clark

cirelaw · 02-09-2011, 04:34 PM

One of the all times great. First published in 1955 by Fred Datig and rereleased and amended in hardcover in 1962 with over 300 luger packed pages!

cirelaw · 02-09-2011, 04:47 PM

Another favorite, available in hard and soft cover available as always on amazon.com.

cirelaw · 02-09-2011, 05:15 PM

In 1977 both Ralph Shattuck and Tom Costanza published a woderful 400 plus+ hardbound luger masterpiece containing well over 1000 luger proof marks. By far the greatest book on this topic. Its also one of the heavyist books dealing with lugers of every variety. A gift from two fallen Friends....

cirelaw · 02-18-2011, 06:30 PM

Is there a site that sells used luger books?

Vlim · 02-18-2011, 06:44 PM

Eric,

Amazon and my favorite www.abebooks.com are always a good place to start. Abebooks is a network where many book antiquarians from all over the world present their inventory. I've found quite a few rare books there.

cirelaw · 02-18-2011, 07:01 PM

Great Leads, Tks

wlyon · 02-18-2011, 09:10 PM

Eric
Just to set the record straight, Shattuck was not a coauthor of World of Lugers.This is Sam Costanza's book. Ralph furnished information, along with many other collectors. Ralph also wrote a forword. This is Sam's book . Bill

cirelaw · 02-18-2011, 09:29 PM

Good point! Whomever authored it, the book is a wealth of information. Its ashamed that both of them are no longer with us. They both contributed in their own unique way and will not be forgotten anytime soon!

wlyon · 02-19-2011, 01:21 AM

Eric
I agree!! Bill

cirelaw · 02-19-2011, 11:17 AM

How about, 'Lugers For Dumbies'

Ron Wood · 02-19-2011, 01:13 PM

Aarron Davis' little booklet "The Luger Handbook" comes very close to being a "Lugers for Dummies" candidate. His identification dendritic at the beginning of the book is an excellent tool for the beginner to puzzle out the variation of a given Luger. Unfortunately, he relied too much on cut and paste for the remainder of the book, therefore a lot of the writeups on individual models are complete nonsense. So when it gets down to the fine points for identification, the beginner will end up confused or still be left with questions.

cirelaw · 02-19-2011, 03:24 PM

I realized I opened a can of worms. Its like deciding which children you like the best, THEY ARE ALL, especially those written by members of our forum family! a job well done and you have earned or 'Luger Purlitzer'

cirelaw · 02-19-2011, 03:43 PM

Bill do you still have your first and favorite??

wlyon · 02-19-2011, 04:47 PM

Eric
Book or luger? Bill

cirelaw · 02-19-2011, 05:43 PM

Actually both! I's sure you have seen some of each rise and fall. You and a few know more than anyone, know more and have seen more not only in our common interest in lugers but every other common aspect of lives. What advice would you give todays collectors or caveats in an attemp to avoid at least some of our mistakes? I know I've made a few. They are beautiful! and timeless!

wlyon · 02-19-2011, 10:46 PM

Eric
The same as all collectors say "Buy books and then study them". Realize that no reference book is totally correct. Use the luger forums. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Purchase very carefully!! Do not rush purchasing. When you decide what you want, buy the best example you can afford. Realize that you are going to make mistakes. But you can keep them to a minimum. I just wish these forums and many reference books had been available when I started collecting. Use them!!!
Eric To answer your question ,my first book was Fred Datig's book "The Luger Pistol." My first luger a byf 41 which unfortunately I sold while in college. Got a whole $40 for it with a holster. Bill

cirelaw · 02-19-2011, 11:23 PM

My former law partner would go to court with at least 5 or 6 law books he randomly borrowed with even more book marks, The opposing attorney armed with only a yellow legal pad and bic pen. They would would alway freek out and lose their point thinking his opposing advesary had volumes of law books supposedly supporting his position.
He would usually freeze or at the very least distact and shock him. Years later I learned that he had just borrowed a random few befrte the hearing, having nothing to do with the case at bar!! He would say that 'intelligence is the ability to convince others that you are intelligent "What ever happened to Perry Mason?

LugerVern · 02-20-2011, 03:39 PM

There are many books not mentioned in this post that contain valuable information.

What I have found is that for the collector and researcher, one needs to go back to the beginning and move forward, understanding that the early books were in many cases " best efforts" and filled with errors by today's standards. Yet the old books do contain information that has not been duplicated in modern productions.

It is sometimes beneficial to return to those old books to fill in the holes left by modern productions.

I like " German Small Arms Marking" from authentic sources by Gortz & Bryans 1997, seems like yesterday but not at all.

One of my favorites

Vern

02-09-2011, 02:25 PM	#2
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 372 Thanks: 340 Thanked 143 Times in 48 Posts	Great topic. I have many Luger books, but I find myself consulting these three constantly: 1) Aarron Davis: Standard Catalog of Luger. I understand it's limitations, but this is a great reference guide that has more than once helped me identify an unusual variation. Ashamed it hasn't been maintained and updated. 2) Michael Reese: 1900 Luger U.S. Test Trials: The missing US test trials serial #s (non-Bannerman) are one of the great mysteries of our hobby, and I hope I get to see it solved in my lifetime. I would like to see someone (Ron Wood) write a fresh new book on this subject including the actual Bannerman records and other new information. 3) Noll: The Imperial German Regimental Marking: What a well-done, well-researched book! Not only defines unit markings, but also lists a cornucopia of example unit marked guns. Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-18-2011, 09:10 PM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 2,661 Times in 988 Posts	Eric Just to set the record straight, Shattuck was not a coauthor of World of Lugers.This is Sam Costanza's book. Ralph furnished information, along with many other collectors. Ralph also wrote a forword. This is Sam's book . Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-19-2011, 01:21 AM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 2,661 Times in 988 Posts	Eric I agree!! Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-19-2011, 01:13 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,120 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	Aarron Davis' little booklet "The Luger Handbook" comes very close to being a "Lugers for Dummies" candidate. His identification dendritic at the beginning of the book is an excellent tool for the beginner to puzzle out the variation of a given Luger. Unfortunately, he relied too much on cut and paste for the remainder of the book, therefore a lot of the writeups on individual models are complete nonsense. So when it gets down to the fine points for identification, the beginner will end up confused or still be left with questions. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-19-2011, 04:47 PM	#16
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 2,661 Times in 988 Posts	Eric Book or luger? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-18-2011, 06:30 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Is there a site that sells used luger books?

02-18-2011, 06:44 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	Eric, Amazon and my favorite www.abebooks.com are always a good place to start. Abebooks is a network where many book antiquarians from all over the world present their inventory. I've found quite a few rare books there.

02-18-2011, 07:01 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Great Leads, Tks

02-18-2011, 09:29 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Good point! Whomever authored it, the book is a wealth of information. Its ashamed that both of them are no longer with us. They both contributed in their own unique way and will not be forgotten anytime soon!

02-19-2011, 11:17 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	How about, 'Lugers For Dumbies'

02-19-2011, 03:43 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Bill do you still have your first and favorite??

02-19-2011, 05:43 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Actually both! I's sure you have seen some of each rise and fall. You and a few know more than anyone, know more and have seen more not only in our common interest in lugers but every other common aspect of lives. What advice would you give todays collectors or caveats in an attemp to avoid at least some of our mistakes? I know I've made a few. They are beautiful! and timeless!

02-19-2011, 10:46 PM	#18
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 2,661 Times in 988 Posts	Eric The same as all collectors say "Buy books and then study them". Realize that no reference book is totally correct. Use the luger forums. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Purchase very carefully!! Do not rush purchasing. When you decide what you want, buy the best example you can afford. Realize that you are going to make mistakes. But you can keep them to a minimum. I just wish these forums and many reference books had been available when I started collecting. Use them!!! Eric To answer your question ,my first book was Fred Datig's book "The Luger Pistol." My first luger a byf 41 which unfortunately I sold while in college. Got a whole $40 for it with a holster. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-19-2011, 11:23 PM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	So True Wait till You hear this one! My former law partner would go to court with at least 5 or 6 law books he randomly borrowed with even more book marks, The opposing attorney armed with only a yellow legal pad and bic pen. They would would alway freek out and lose their point thinking his opposing advesary had volumes of law books supposedly supporting his position. He would usually freeze or at the very least distact and shock him. Years later I learned that he had just borrowed a random few befrte the hearing, having nothing to do with the case at bar!! He would say that 'intelligence is the ability to convince others that you are intelligent "What ever happened to Perry Mason?

02-20-2011, 03:39 PM	#20
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	There are many books not mentioned in this post that contain valuable information. What I have found is that for the collector and researcher, one needs to go back to the beginning and move forward, understanding that the early books were in many cases " best efforts" and filled with errors by today's standards. Yet the old books do contain information that has not been duplicated in modern productions. It is sometimes beneficial to return to those old books to fill in the holes left by modern productions. I like " German Small Arms Marking" from authentic sources by Gortz & Bryans 1997, seems like yesterday but not at all. One of my favorites Vern