lapua ammo

Leen · 10-14-2010, 11:28 AM

Hello everyone,

I am new to lugers and I would like to know who has uses Lapua 123 grains ammo in a p08. It has a velocity of 320 m/s. I have read that no ammunition should be used in a p08 with a higher velocitythan 320 m/s.

Leen

Vlim · 10-14-2010, 12:04 PM

Hi,

S&B 124gr and Winchester 115gr work well.

The velocity is not the main issue: overal average length, a slow burning powder, not too exotic bullet shapes and you should be good to go.

Here's an overview of velocity tests that Mauser did in the early seventies:

Leen · 10-14-2010, 12:50 PM

Thank you for the information

Do you know what kind of ammo the Germans used?

And do I need to look for an round that produces the lowest amount of pressureon the action?

I`ll post some pictures of my byf41 soon

Vlim · 10-14-2010, 01:21 PM

The ammo the Germans used during WW2 is the last type you want to use. It's crap in more ways than one.

Stick to S&B or Winchester and you'll be fine

BogeyB · 10-14-2010, 07:53 PM

Leen,

I don't know about their 9mm, but their 7.65mm shoots wonderful!

Mike

Leen · 10-15-2010, 08:29 AM

Thank you

Do you have any experience with magtech or geco?

BogeyB · 10-15-2010, 09:43 AM

Leen,

I like the 124gr. GEACO ( RWS ) in my P08's

Mike

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/b...5&b=GECO&stk=1

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/b...95&b=RWS&stk=1

Leen · 10-15-2010, 10:03 AM

Dear Mike,

How did you found out what ammunition to shoot in your p08 and what ammo you shoukd not ? Lot`s of people tell me that shooting factory loads in a po8 will break it. And that a velocity hogher then 320 meters per second is not good.

Could you please help me out?

Vlim · 10-15-2010, 10:26 AM

Leen,

This is a common myth based on unfamiliarity with the design and use. Do a search on the forum and you will see that the advice given here is correct: Stick to S&B and/or Winchester and you'll be fine. GeCo and Lapua will not harm the pistol, but GeCo is a bid mild and will not always trigger the hold-open after the last shot.

If you are afraid to shoot your pistol, then don't.

BogeyB · 10-15-2010, 10:29 AM

Leen,

Trial and error, personal preference, etc... Whatever works for you and you can afford!

Mike

thegundude · 10-15-2010, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leen

Dear Mike,

How did you found out what ammunition to shoot in your p08 and what ammo you shoukd not ? Lot`s of people tell me that shooting factory loads in a po8 will break it. And that a velocity hogher then 320 meters per second is not good.

Could you please help me out?

I found out by blindly following the orders of others....

(j/k, of course)

Vlim · 10-15-2010, 12:44 PM

Steve, you're not convincing him this way, I think, lol

thegundude · 10-15-2010, 12:56 PM

LOL! Ya, if figgered that if he wasn't convinced by now he never would be so I was just having fun.

I'm a slave to my sense of humor. It gets me into more trouble....

Vlim · 10-15-2010, 01:07 PM

Steve

Leen: the invitation to come to our range still stands. You will be able to meet a couple of luger 'survivors' there

sheepherder · 10-15-2010, 02:07 PM

Vlim -

AH!!! "geschosz gewichte" = projectile weights!!!

Here's a helpful site - http://www.archive.org/stream/milita...mrich_djvu.txt - Military vocabulary : German-English and English-German

But back to geschosz-gewichte - is that in ounces??? What unit of weight is that??? Grams???

Vlim · 10-15-2010, 02:55 PM

yes, bullet weight

It is the weight in grams: 8.0 Grams is approx. 124gr.

Armin · 10-15-2010, 04:09 PM

Leen,
I regularly shoot 95gr Magtech ammo in my Lugers. This is a very hot ammo with respect to energy and very very fast but due to the low bullet weight the momentum is very soft. The momentum is so soft that this ammo just exceeds the minimum momentum required in competitions in Germany. The characteristics of this ammo comes near the 7.65 Para. The accuracy of that ammo is brilliant but not every clip works with it properly. So ist is required to find an appropriate clip but the effort will pay off.
Armin

sheepherder · 10-16-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

yes, bullet weight

It is the weight in grams: 8.0 Grams is approx. 124gr.

Very good! Could you correct these approximate translations? -

Vollmantel = full jacketed (?)
Panzerbrechend = armor breaking (piercing?)
Holspitzgeschoss = hollow point projectile (?)

(I know they're not correct; but the best I could do)

sheepherder · 10-16-2010, 01:57 PM

OK, I've attempted to convert Vlim's Mauser list to Yankee units...I had trouble with the 5's & 6's = i can't tell which one Mauser wrote, so I 'assumed' they were 6's...

(My apologies to all Metric & Deutsch reading peoples)

Vlim · 10-16-2010, 02:54 PM

Nice work

We'll have you speaking German in no time

10-14-2010, 11:28 AM	#1
Leen User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	lapua ammo Hello everyone, I am new to lugers and I would like to know who has uses Lapua 123 grains ammo in a p08. It has a velocity of 320 m/s. I have read that no ammunition should be used in a p08 with a higher velocitythan 320 m/s. Leen

10-14-2010, 12:04 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, S&B 124gr and Winchester 115gr work well. The velocity is not the main issue: overal average length, a slow burning powder, not too exotic bullet shapes and you should be good to go. Here's an overview of velocity tests that Mauser did in the early seventies: Attached Images

10-14-2010, 07:53 PM	#5
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	Leen, I don't know about their 9mm, but their 7.65mm shoots wonderful! Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

10-15-2010, 09:43 AM	#7
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	Leen, I like the 124gr. GEACO ( RWS ) in my P08's Mike http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/b...5&b=GECO&stk=1 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/b...95&b=RWS&stk=1 __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

10-15-2010, 10:29 AM	#10
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	Leen, Trial and error, personal preference, etc... Whatever works for you and you can afford! Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

10-14-2010, 12:50 PM	#3
Leen User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for the information Do you know what kind of ammo the Germans used? And do I need to look for an round that produces the lowest amount of pressureon the action? I`ll post some pictures of my byf41 soon

10-14-2010, 01:21 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The ammo the Germans used during WW2 is the last type you want to use. It's crap in more ways than one. Stick to S&B or Winchester and you'll be fine

10-15-2010, 08:29 AM	#6
Leen User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Do you have any experience with magtech or geco?

10-15-2010, 10:03 AM	#8
Leen User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dear Mike, How did you found out what ammunition to shoot in your p08 and what ammo you shoukd not ? Lot`s of people tell me that shooting factory loads in a po8 will break it. And that a velocity hogher then 320 meters per second is not good. Could you please help me out?

10-15-2010, 10:26 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Leen, This is a common myth based on unfamiliarity with the design and use. Do a search on the forum and you will see that the advice given here is correct: Stick to S&B and/or Winchester and you'll be fine. GeCo and Lapua will not harm the pistol, but GeCo is a bid mild and will not always trigger the hold-open after the last shot. If you are afraid to shoot your pistol, then don't.

10-15-2010, 12:44 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Steve, you're not convincing him this way, I think, lol

10-15-2010, 12:56 PM	#13
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	LOL! Ya, if figgered that if he wasn't convinced by now he never would be so I was just having fun. I'm a slave to my sense of humor. It gets me into more trouble.... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

10-15-2010, 01:07 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Steve Leen: the invitation to come to our range still stands. You will be able to meet a couple of luger 'survivors' there

10-15-2010, 02:07 PM	#15
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Vlim - AH!!! "geschosz gewichte" = projectile weights!!! Here's a helpful site - http://www.archive.org/stream/milita...mrich_djvu.txt - Military vocabulary : German-English and English-German But back to geschosz-gewichte - is that in ounces??? What unit of weight is that??? Grams??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-15-2010, 02:55 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	yes, bullet weight It is the weight in grams: 8.0 Grams is approx. 124gr.

10-15-2010, 04:09 PM	#17
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Leen, I regularly shoot 95gr Magtech ammo in my Lugers. This is a very hot ammo with respect to energy and very very fast but due to the low bullet weight the momentum is very soft. The momentum is so soft that this ammo just exceeds the minimum momentum required in competitions in Germany. The characteristics of this ammo comes near the 7.65 Para. The accuracy of that ammo is brilliant but not every clip works with it properly. So ist is required to find an appropriate clip but the effort will pay off. Armin

10-16-2010, 01:57 PM	#19
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	OK, I've attempted to convert Vlim's Mauser list to Yankee units...I had trouble with the 5's & 6's = i can't tell which one Mauser wrote, so I 'assumed' they were 6's... (My apologies to all Metric & Deutsch reading peoples) Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-16-2010, 02:54 PM	#20
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Nice work We'll have you speaking German in no time