Yet another 1930 - Page 2

Norme · 04-21-2010, 08:26 AM

Hi Henry, Thanks for posting that great picture of the Senorita. I understand it's still pretty violent south of the border! Regards, Norm

Douglas Jr. · 05-03-2010, 02:13 PM

Alvin,

It took me two weeks to read this topic and check you new purchase.
Ok, it's not a Flatside, but it is a MINT C96. A very late number even for a 30's series.
I once had a set of grips for these latter Brooms and it looked exactly the same as yours.
Congratulations!

Douglas

alvin · 05-03-2010, 04:08 PM

How could I become a "dealer" of these guns... that's not my original intention..... but I do need $$ for the following one.

Not in hurry, Doug. I do get another flatside. Not in my hand yet. Probably need a few weeks. Will post pictures then.

Is this gun from a member here? Looks like the seller had many Lugers as well....

A commercial flatside made in 1901, in this unbelievable shape with excellent bore. No vL&D.

Went Blakely · 05-06-2010, 09:30 AM

Hehe @ Pimpgewher

Those Mausers are beautiful mate, I've always loved those, such an odd design yet so beautiful at the same time. Killer engineering. Those tooling/machining marks always look so pretty to me

alvin · 05-07-2010, 07:37 AM

The C96 variation that I still don't feel comfortable was cabine. Supposed being very rare, and commonly carrying five digit BB value, but there are many of them floating on the market..... say rarer than commonly seen small ring, but still numerically a lot, even my local shop has a cased one, reblued asking 2k. Just by this volume, it's reasonable to guess that most of them were fake.

Who made all those carbines?

alanint · 05-07-2010, 08:46 AM

Here is some good information on the abundance of carbines issue;

http://www.1896mauser.com/carbines.htm

alvin · 05-07-2010, 05:36 PM

Thanks alanint. So 16" barrel is a sign. The one that I met in the local store has 16" barrel 1930 style, most likely being a fake. The chamber length was much longer than pistol. Weird piece.

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They received my payment for the flatside. The darn thing was known more than 40 years ago. s/n 30154 on page 72 of System Mauser. Hopefully, the condition did not change much after near half a century. I almost missed this one in the initial scan because the list title did not contain the word "broomhandle".

conehammer · 05-07-2010, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Here is some good information on the abundance of carbines issue;

http://www.1896mauser.com/carbines.htm

I'm surprised to see Nemo's old site still around I wonder who is keeping it afloat? By the site information I saw last year the domain should have expired by now...

Hey Alvin perhaps should I post some photos of my meager C96 collection here...

Jerry

alvin · 05-07-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conehammer

Hey Alvin perhaps should I post some photos of my meager C96 collection here...

Yes. Please. Only a single request: 1024x768 size, and one gun per picture. I am interested in detail. Thanks!

conehammer · 05-12-2010, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Yes. Please. Only a single request: 1024x768 size, and one gun per picture. I am interested in detail. Thanks!

Anything else? Sorry, I'm not a pro photog.....

Jerry

Mauser 712 · 05-12-2010, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Flatside started from 1899 Italian Navy Contract, without milling panels on the frame of the gun, but the receiver (barrel extension) still has milled slots on the rail.

WRONG - The first Flatside started as a German Test Flatside (around serial #145 in January 1899) after the Milled Panel German Cavarly Test Large Ring Hammer.

alvin · 05-12-2010, 05:58 PM

Mauser 712 is right. German Test guns came a few months before Italian. Thanks for the correction.

#30154 arrived. Spent a little time checked inside and out. No surprise, looks good in general. Obviously, the dealer checked the numbers, because the grip panels were put on carelessly on the frame. It's hard to believe owner could do such a lousy job. Must be dealer..... Easily fixed.

For stupid reason, the camera is lost. ...... have to wait one to come.

alvin · 05-12-2010, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conehammer

Anything else? Sorry, I'm not a pro photog.....

Jerry

"Jerry is Jerry, you know".

Celluar phone can do it. No pro is necessary in this context.

alvin · 05-13-2010, 07:20 AM

Internal numbers not visible outside: firing pin, bolt lock, magazine floor, disconnector, sear, and grip panels (full).

Externally visible numbers shown below:

alvin · 05-13-2010, 07:28 AM

Plus proof marks, muzzle, and slot..... that's all key points that I can think of on this thing. All look healthy.

alvin · 05-14-2010, 07:38 AM

Test fired 10 rounds PRVI from the flatside in range (!!) With all those numbered parts and considering what I paid for it, I ran big risk and could only do so much. With shoulder stock attached, five rounds at 50 yards, 5 rounds at 100 yards, and satified with typical Mauser performance, accurate and reliable. Thanks Lord, nothing was broken in the process.

alvin · 05-19-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally, I really should stop here. But visited a local gun store today, did not find any guns but saw a book on countertop. Seeing I was flipping pages of the book, the owner said "You could buy it for $3" and raised 3 fingers. "Three", he said.

So I paid $3. It's interesting to see the price of a few guns in 1980s.

Mauser 1910: $225 - $250
Mauser 1934: $250 - $275
Postwar Bolo: $750 - $800
Mauser WTP: $225 - $275
Mauser 1930: $750 - $800
Astra 900: $750 - $800
Interarms Parabellum: $750 - $800
Centennial Hi-Power: $650 - $700
H&K P7: $450 - $460

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[Edit] In preface, author had an interesting paragraph. Here is what he observed in 1985:

History shows that, when the supply of many coveted firearms such as Lugers, Mausers and others dried up nearly two decades back [so, sounds like dried up in 1960s], prices for them skyrocketed. As little as three years ago, a Bolo Mauser pistol in good condition sold for $500 or more, while mint examples commanded more than $1000. I know of one individual who foresaw the supply drying up with the ban on importation of foreign surplus and purchased a dozen Bolo Mausers as an investment [sounds like a very easy task at that time]. At the current going price, he has seen the value of his investment decreased by what he judges is more than $3000 [probably each piece dropped $250]. And with the growing number of importers -- not to mention the huge reservoir of surplus arms still to be released from foreign arsenals and warehouses -- price may well continue to drop for several years.

05-03-2010, 04:08 PM	#23
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	How could I become a "dealer" of these guns... that's not my original intention..... but I do need $$ for the following one. Not in hurry, Doug. I do get another flatside. Not in my hand yet. Probably need a few weeks. Will post pictures then. Is this gun from a member here? Looks like the seller had many Lugers as well.... A commercial flatside made in 1901, in this unbelievable shape with excellent bore. No vL&D. Attached Thumbnails

05-06-2010, 09:30 AM	#24
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Hehe @ Pimpgewher Those Mausers are beautiful mate, I've always loved those, such an odd design yet so beautiful at the same time. Killer engineering. Those tooling/machining marks always look so pretty to me __________________ Went Blakely

05-13-2010, 07:20 AM	#34
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Internal numbers not visible outside: firing pin, bolt lock, magazine floor, disconnector, sear, and grip panels (full). Externally visible numbers shown below: Attached Thumbnails

05-13-2010, 07:28 AM	#35
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Plus proof marks, muzzle, and slot..... that's all key points that I can think of on this thing. All look healthy. Attached Thumbnails

05-14-2010, 07:38 AM	#36
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Test fired 10 rounds PRVI from the flatside in range (!!) With all those numbered parts and considering what I paid for it, I ran big risk and could only do so much. With shoulder stock attached, five rounds at 50 yards, 5 rounds at 100 yards, and satified with typical Mauser performance, accurate and reliable. Thanks Lord, nothing was broken in the process. Attached Thumbnails

04-21-2010, 08:26 AM	#21
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Henry, Thanks for posting that great picture of the Senorita. I understand it's still pretty violent south of the border! Regards, Norm

05-03-2010, 02:13 PM	#22
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Alvin, It took me two weeks to read this topic and check you new purchase. Ok, it's not a Flatside, but it is a MINT C96. A very late number even for a 30's series. I once had a set of grips for these latter Brooms and it looked exactly the same as yours. Congratulations! Douglas

05-07-2010, 07:37 AM	#25
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The C96 variation that I still don't feel comfortable was cabine. Supposed being very rare, and commonly carrying five digit BB value, but there are many of them floating on the market..... say rarer than commonly seen small ring, but still numerically a lot, even my local shop has a cased one, reblued asking 2k. Just by this volume, it's reasonable to guess that most of them were fake. Who made all those carbines?

05-07-2010, 08:46 AM	#26
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Here is some good information on the abundance of carbines issue; http://www.1896mauser.com/carbines.htm

05-07-2010, 05:36 PM	#27
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Thanks alanint. So 16" barrel is a sign. The one that I met in the local store has 16" barrel 1930 style, most likely being a fake. The chamber length was much longer than pistol. Weird piece. ==== They received my payment for the flatside. The darn thing was known more than 40 years ago. s/n 30154 on page 72 of System Mauser. Hopefully, the condition did not change much after near half a century. I almost missed this one in the initial scan because the list title did not contain the word "broomhandle".

05-12-2010, 05:58 PM	#32
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Mauser 712 is right. German Test guns came a few months before Italian. Thanks for the correction. #30154 arrived. Spent a little time checked inside and out. No surprise, looks good in general. Obviously, the dealer checked the numbers, because the grip panels were put on carelessly on the frame. It's hard to believe owner could do such a lousy job. Must be dealer..... Easily fixed. For stupid reason, the camera is lost. ...... have to wait one to come.

05-19-2010, 07:11 PM	#37
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Originally, I really should stop here. But visited a local gun store today, did not find any guns but saw a book on countertop. Seeing I was flipping pages of the book, the owner said "You could buy it for $3" and raised 3 fingers. "Three", he said. So I paid $3. It's interesting to see the price of a few guns in 1980s. Mauser 1910: $225 - $250 Mauser 1934: $250 - $275 Postwar Bolo: $750 - $800 Mauser WTP: $225 - $275 Mauser 1930: $750 - $800 Astra 900: $750 - $800 Interarms Parabellum: $750 - $800 Centennial Hi-Power: $650 - $700 H&K P7: $450 - $460 ===== [Edit] In preface, author had an interesting paragraph. Here is what he observed in 1985: History shows that, when the supply of many coveted firearms such as Lugers, Mausers and others dried up nearly two decades back [so, sounds like dried up in 1960s], prices for them skyrocketed. As little as three years ago, a Bolo Mauser pistol in good condition sold for $500 or more, while mint examples commanded more than $1000. I know of one individual who foresaw the supply drying up with the ban on importation of foreign surplus and purchased a dozen Bolo Mausers as an investment [sounds like a very easy task at that time]. At the current going price, he has seen the value of his investment decreased by what he judges is more than $3000 [probably each piece dropped $250]. And with the growing number of importers -- not to mention the huge reservoir of surplus arms still to be released from foreign arsenals and warehouses -- price may well continue to drop for several years. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by alvin; 05-19-2010 at 08:01 PM.