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SteveM · 11-02-2009, 07:26 PM

I emailed the seller for more pics and asked what the date over the chamber was.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=145147190

He said he didn't have any more pics and that the date was 1934.

I think I know what is going on, how 'bout you guys?

SteveM

sheepherder · 11-02-2009, 07:49 PM

New seller; no feedback; $1800 starting bid...No other pics??? Eight word description...Doesn't even mention the holster or the 2 mags...

1934 chamber date???

Sounds awful steep...I would ask lots of questions and request [firmly] more pics if he wants my bid...

Is there something that makes you think that this is a skunk???

SteveM · 11-02-2009, 08:03 PM

1934's aren't called "1934". Most collectors that I know refer to them as K-dates.

SteveM

sheepherder · 11-02-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveM

1934's aren't called "1934". Most collectors that I know refer to them as K-dates.

SteveM

So he's not a collector...I'm not either...

I'm just curious as to what you think is going on...I don't have a clue...If he was asking $1000 less I'd say it was a great deal...but for $1800+???

G.T. · 11-02-2009, 08:58 PM

Hi to all, There are some early, early commercial Mauser Lugers with an early chamber date (I believe 1934??, not for sure??) and a large toggle legend of, Mauser oberdorf (sp.?)etc... Ive seen one so mismatched that it was ugly... but they do exist.. maybe something like this is up for sale...Who knows.. best to all, til...lat'r...GT

SteveM · 11-02-2009, 09:12 PM

A K-date in that condition with that low of a starting bid does not look right. K-dates in that condition would go for at least 3-5 times his starting bid.

And like you said, no mention of the holster or magazines.

If the seller could provide more pics, I wouldn't be so suspicious.

There was a K-date Navy just on GB a few days ago. Initial starting bid on that one was around 7800 and then it was sold for buy it now for 3800. This seller was also a new seller to GB.

Curly1 · 11-02-2009, 09:58 PM

Non rated seller also and can't supply any more pics? Raises red flags for me.

sheepherder · 11-02-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveM

A K-date in that condition with that low of a starting bid does not look right. K-dates in that condition would go for at least 3-5 times his starting bid.

I didn't know that. I've noticed threads here about K-dates and G-dates but didn't have a clue what they were (and still don't)...

alvin · 11-02-2009, 11:23 PM

K? One possibility could be that he inherited from someone, so for him the thing came free and low selling price is not impossible. Of course it contains lots of risk -- NR, lousy pix, short text, AS IS no return, etc. If you live in PA or nearby, the best way is making an appointment and take a look in hand. Otherwise, bypass it.

Did he say how much is his reserve?

spartacus38 · 11-03-2009, 12:09 AM

It is a 1936 S/42.

Bob

Frank · 11-03-2009, 10:48 AM

Hi Guys, if you look in "Lugers at Random" by Kenyon, he classifies all Military Lugers as "Model" 1934 because the first ones were built in 1934 (K-Date). It's a very poor classification, but if this is the only reference you have...

Thor · 11-03-2009, 11:45 AM

Does anyone have the Serial number, based on general appearances, it might be one of my restores. No wear on the sideplate high section or muzzle sides that I can see in the far away pics. I can check my list, I might even have more pictures. Thor

Mauser720 · 11-03-2009, 03:18 PM

postino -

If someone else has already cleared this up, please disregard my post.

But in late 1934 Mauser began making Lugers with a "K" over the chamber as a secret date code to conceal the fact that Germany was rearming. (And this was in violation of the treaty which ended WWI - "The Treaty of Versailles")

Then in 1935 they began using the secret date code of "G" for the same reasons.

Starting in 1936 there was no longer any pretense about what was going on, and they started openly dating the receivers with four-digit dates, as with the 1936 - S/42 code Luger, etc.

I used to wonder about this too until I got Still's excellent Third Reich Lugers book.

Ron

sheepherder · 11-03-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauser720

postino -

If someone else has already cleared this up, please disregard my post.

But in late 1934 Mauser began making Lugers with a "K" over the chamber...Then in 1935 they began using the secret date code of "G" ...

Thank You, Ron!!!

I've never seen one...but I can't wait to find one at the 5 Dec gun show and ask the seller about it...and hear the wild explanations...

11-02-2009, 07:26 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Gunbroker I emailed the seller for more pics and asked what the date over the chamber was. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=145147190 He said he didn't have any more pics and that the date was 1934. I think I know what is going on, how 'bout you guys? SteveM

11-02-2009, 08:58 PM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,541 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,742 Times in 1,020 Posts	1934 commercial Hi to all, There are some early, early commercial Mauser Lugers with an early chamber date (I believe 1934??, not for sure??) and a large toggle legend of, Mauser oberdorf (sp.?)etc... Ive seen one so mismatched that it was ugly... but they do exist.. maybe something like this is up for sale...Who knows.. best to all, til...lat'r...GT

11-02-2009, 09:58 PM	#7
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 126 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Non rated seller also and can't supply any more pics? Raises red flags for me. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

11-03-2009, 11:45 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Does anyone have the Serial number, based on general appearances, it might be one of my restores. No wear on the sideplate high section or muzzle sides that I can see in the far away pics. I can check my list, I might even have more pictures. Thor __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Last edited by Thor; 11-03-2009 at 02:57 PM.

11-03-2009, 03:18 PM	#13
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Re: "K" and "G" dated Lugers postino - If someone else has already cleared this up, please disregard my post. But in late 1934 Mauser began making Lugers with a "K" over the chamber as a secret date code to conceal the fact that Germany was rearming. (And this was in violation of the treaty which ended WWI - "The Treaty of Versailles") Then in 1935 they began using the secret date code of "G" for the same reasons. Starting in 1936 there was no longer any pretense about what was going on, and they started openly dating the receivers with four-digit dates, as with the 1936 - S/42 code Luger, etc. I used to wonder about this too until I got Still's excellent Third Reich Lugers book. Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

11-02-2009, 07:49 PM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,208 Thanks: 1,425 Thanked 4,474 Times in 2,343 Posts	New seller; no feedback; $1800 starting bid...No other pics??? Eight word description...Doesn't even mention the holster or the 2 mags... 1934 chamber date??? Sounds awful steep...I would ask lots of questions and request [firmly] more pics if he wants my bid... Is there something that makes you think that this is a skunk???

11-02-2009, 08:03 PM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	1934's aren't called "1934". Most collectors that I know refer to them as K-dates. SteveM

11-02-2009, 09:12 PM	#6
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	A K-date in that condition with that low of a starting bid does not look right. K-dates in that condition would go for at least 3-5 times his starting bid. And like you said, no mention of the holster or magazines. If the seller could provide more pics, I wouldn't be so suspicious. There was a K-date Navy just on GB a few days ago. Initial starting bid on that one was around 7800 and then it was sold for buy it now for 3800. This seller was also a new seller to GB.

11-02-2009, 11:23 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	K? One possibility could be that he inherited from someone, so for him the thing came free and low selling price is not impossible. Of course it contains lots of risk -- NR, lousy pix, short text, AS IS no return, etc. If you live in PA or nearby, the best way is making an appointment and take a look in hand. Otherwise, bypass it. Did he say how much is his reserve?

11-03-2009, 12:09 AM	#10
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	It is a 1936 S/42. Bob

11-03-2009, 10:48 AM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Guys, if you look in "Lugers at Random" by Kenyon, he classifies all Military Lugers as "Model" 1934 because the first ones were built in 1934 (K-Date). It's a very poor classification, but if this is the only reference you have...