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lazarus · 08-06-2009, 07:14 AM

I would like to start by complimenting you all on this forum for the apparently very knowlegable replies you give to questioners. I find it all very interesting. I recently photographed the luger shown in switzerland. I would like to learn anything you can tell me about it.There is a one digit mismatch in the numbers on barrel and frame,could this have been an error from new?Now i only have to upload the photos lol lol

DavidJayUden · 08-06-2009, 07:33 AM

I'd like to see several photos of the mismatched numbers on the frame/barrel.
Thanks!
DJU

lazarus · 08-06-2009, 08:23 AM

the barrel has 7874 underneath and the frame has 7884.

Edward Tinker · 08-06-2009, 09:38 AM

Welcome to the forum. When posting a new item, please don't hi-jack someone else's thread, start your own thread.

POST NEW REPLY and not post reply.

Ed

Ron Wood · 08-06-2009, 09:48 AM

To start a new thread of your own you need to access the "NEW TOPIC" function. You do this by clicking on the appropriate forum subject, in this case it would be "All P-08 Military Lugers". This will bring up the forum subject window with the "NEW TOPIC" button at the top left.

The serial number being one off in the "tens" position is a bit unusual! It could be a factory error, or it could have been done by the unit armorer that had several Lugers disassembled at the same time and just mixed up the tops and bottoms because the numbers are so similar (that would be my guess).

lazarus · 08-06-2009, 09:58 AM

Thank you both very much for the info but will someone please tell this "Luger novice" something about this Luger please.Banner means what exactly?

Ron Wood · 08-06-2009, 10:04 AM

"Banner" refers to the Mauser trademark (commonly called the Mauser banner) on the toggle rather than a military code such as "byf", which was one of the wartime production codes used to disguise Mauser as the manufacturer of the weapon. The Eagle/N proof on the left side of the receiver over the serial number identifies this gun as a commercial model and therefore has the Mauser trademark.

P.S. David, looks like we almost had a "photo finish" posting!

DavidJayUden · 08-06-2009, 10:07 AM

Banner refers to the word Mauser on the top toggle. Other guns made by Mauser used "codes" such as byf or 42 or s/42, etc. I assume it was something to do with Nazi discretion being exercised since they were not suppose to be re-arming, however other members could tell you more on that rationale.
I find the discrepancy in the serial numbers interesting and to the right collecter it should not hurt the value. Sort of like stamps, the most sought-after stamps are those unusual ones with errors.
DJU

lazarus · 08-06-2009, 10:33 AM

So this is a normal army luger? not police,nothing else odd about it? There is no numbering on the magazine at all,and the base is aluminium.

Lugerdoc · 08-06-2009, 11:38 AM

Laxarus, The Mauser Banner toggle was used in many commerical, contract & police lugers; not military. After April 1940 they all would have had the E/N test fire proofing, but if police probably would have also had a police acceptance marking on the right receiver. I believe that I also see an "X" mark on the left receiver, which would indicate Russian capture, so they may be responcible for the mismatch. TH

DavidJayUden · 08-06-2009, 11:48 AM

T:
Where are you seeing the X?
DJU

Ron Wood · 08-06-2009, 11:51 AM

Tom,
The only marks on the left receiver are the serial number and Eagle/N.

08-06-2009, 07:14 AM	#1
lazarus New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mauser Banner I would like to start by complimenting you all on this forum for the apparently very knowlegable replies you give to questioners. I find it all very interesting. I recently photographed the luger shown in switzerland. I would like to learn anything you can tell me about it.There is a one digit mismatch in the numbers on barrel and frame,could this have been an error from new?Now i only have to upload the photos lol lol Attached Thumbnails

08-06-2009, 08:23 AM	#3
lazarus New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mismatched numbers the barrel has 7874 underneath and the frame has 7884. Attached Thumbnails

08-06-2009, 09:38 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Welcome to the forum. When posting a new item, please don't hi-jack someone else's thread, start your own thread. POST NEW REPLY and not post reply. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-06-2009, 09:48 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	To start a new thread of your own you need to access the "NEW TOPIC" function. You do this by clicking on the appropriate forum subject, in this case it would be "All P-08 Military Lugers". This will bring up the forum subject window with the "NEW TOPIC" button at the top left. The serial number being one off in the "tens" position is a bit unusual! It could be a factory error, or it could have been done by the unit armorer that had several Lugers disassembled at the same time and just mixed up the tops and bottoms because the numbers are so similar (that would be my guess). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-06-2009, 10:04 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	"Banner" refers to the Mauser trademark (commonly called the Mauser banner) on the toggle rather than a military code such as "byf", which was one of the wartime production codes used to disguise Mauser as the manufacturer of the weapon. The Eagle/N proof on the left side of the receiver over the serial number identifies this gun as a commercial model and therefore has the Mauser trademark. P.S. David, looks like we almost had a "photo finish" posting! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-06-2009, 07:33 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'd like to see several photos of the mismatched numbers on the frame/barrel. Thanks! DJU

08-06-2009, 09:58 AM	#6
lazarus New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you both very much for the info but will someone please tell this "Luger novice" something about this Luger please.Banner means what exactly?

08-06-2009, 10:07 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Banner refers to the word Mauser on the top toggle. Other guns made by Mauser used "codes" such as byf or 42 or s/42, etc. I assume it was something to do with Nazi discretion being exercised since they were not suppose to be re-arming, however other members could tell you more on that rationale. I find the discrepancy in the serial numbers interesting and to the right collecter it should not hurt the value. Sort of like stamps, the most sought-after stamps are those unusual ones with errors. DJU

08-06-2009, 10:33 AM	#9
lazarus New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So this is a normal army luger? not police,nothing else odd about it? There is no numbering on the magazine at all,and the base is aluminium.

08-06-2009, 11:38 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Laxarus, The Mauser Banner toggle was used in many commerical, contract & police lugers; not military. After April 1940 they all would have had the E/N test fire proofing, but if police probably would have also had a police acceptance marking on the right receiver. I believe that I also see an "X" mark on the left receiver, which would indicate Russian capture, so they may be responcible for the mismatch. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-06-2009, 11:48 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	T: Where are you seeing the X? DJU

08-06-2009, 11:51 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Tom, The only marks on the left receiver are the serial number and Eagle/N. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction