French Unique Model 17 C&R ?

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 11:09 AM

Hello

I am looking for some help to prove a French Unique Model 17 is a C&R . It is not on the BATF C&R list.
I recently bought one and the 01 dealer claims he needs proof or he will not ship to my 03.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Mike Dunham

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 11:27 AM

Mike,

Send him this link. Tell him to read the red heading.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

Ron

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 11:29 AM

Hello Ron

I could have missed it but I did not find it in the list.

Thanks,

Mike

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 11:37 AM

Mike,

You're welcome. I can't figure people, especially if they are selling guns for a living.

If you're going to sell guns? Read the regulations once in a while!!!

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 11:43 AM

Hello Ron

Could you show it to me in the list.

I did not find it.

Thanks,

Mike

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 12:10 PM

"Firearms automatically attain curio or relic (C&R) status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list"

Mike,

It's not listed in the C&R gun list.

The last Unique Model 17s were produced by the Germans in 1944. At the very least any Unique Model 17 Pistol "Kiegs Modell" with waffenamt is 65 years old, and qualifies under BATF regulations as a C&R. If it's not a Kriegs Modell (pre 1940) , just a standard Model 17? It has to be at least 70 years old.

Ron

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 12:14 PM

Hello Ron

I understand that but he does not.

Thanks

Mike

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 12:19 PM

I'm not sure what part of it he can't understand. It's pretty plain and simple.

The only other way would be to have him call his local ATF office and get it clarified.

Ron

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 12:21 PM

Hello Ron

Do you have the number?

Thanks.

Mike

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 12:33 PM

Mike,

It depends on what state he's in, as to which branch to call. Any of them could clarify it.

http://www.atf.gov/contact/field.htm

Ron

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 12:43 PM

Thanks for your help Ron.

Mike

Ron Smith · 05-27-2009, 12:55 PM

Mike,

You're welcome. Hope he can get his act together.

Ron

OLDJARHEAD · 05-27-2009, 01:00 PM

Hello Ron

That might be too much to ask.

Thanks again.

Mike

Aaron · 05-27-2009, 04:15 PM

Believe it or not, there are many dealers who have no idea what is and what is not a C&R firearm. Many have never even done business with a C&R licensee and do not know what a C&R license is. At the Tulsa show this year one dealer refused to sell me a pre-war Walther, as he had no idea what my C&R license was. I finally had to bring over a friend who was a FFL licensee. He purchased the gun, then transferred it to me on my C&R license.

05-27-2009, 11:09 AM	#1
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	French Unique Model 17 C&R ? Hello I am looking for some help to prove a French Unique Model 17 is a C&R . It is not on the BATF C&R list. I recently bought one and the 01 dealer claims he needs proof or he will not ship to my 03. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Mike Dunham

05-27-2009, 11:27 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Mike, Send him this link. Tell him to read the red heading. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 11:37 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Mike, You're welcome. I can't figure people, especially if they are selling guns for a living. If you're going to sell guns? Read the regulations once in a while!!! __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 12:10 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	"Firearms automatically attain curio or relic (C&R) status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list" Mike, It's not listed in the C&R gun list. The last Unique Model 17s were produced by the Germans in 1944. At the very least any Unique Model 17 Pistol "Kiegs Modell" with waffenamt is 65 years old, and qualifies under BATF regulations as a C&R. If it's not a Kriegs Modell (pre 1940) , just a standard Model 17? It has to be at least 70 years old. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 12:19 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I'm not sure what part of it he can't understand. It's pretty plain and simple. The only other way would be to have him call his local ATF office and get it clarified. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 11:29 AM	#3
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron I could have missed it but I did not find it in the list. Thanks, Mike

05-27-2009, 11:43 AM	#5
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron Could you show it to me in the list. I did not find it. Thanks, Mike

05-27-2009, 12:14 PM	#7
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron I understand that but he does not. Thanks Mike

05-27-2009, 12:21 PM	#9
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron Do you have the number? Thanks. Mike

05-27-2009, 12:33 PM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Mike, It depends on what state he's in, as to which branch to call. Any of them could clarify it. http://www.atf.gov/contact/field.htm Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 12:43 PM	#11
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Thanks for your help Ron. Mike

05-27-2009, 12:55 PM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Mike, You're welcome. Hope he can get his act together. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-27-2009, 01:00 PM	#13
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Hello Ron That might be too much to ask. Thanks again. Mike

05-27-2009, 04:15 PM	#14
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Believe it or not, there are many dealers who have no idea what is and what is not a C&R firearm. Many have never even done business with a C&R licensee and do not know what a C&R license is. At the Tulsa show this year one dealer refused to sell me a pre-war Walther, as he had no idea what my C&R license was. I finally had to bring over a friend who was a FFL licensee. He purchased the gun, then transferred it to me on my C&R license.