2 x 1916 DWM markings questions - Page 2

tenbears · 12-26-2008, 12:13 PM

I too have noticed the difference with the serial number fonts. Which brings to mind what a old time collector told me that not everything is etched in stone regarding all the Luger variations out their. Just take a look at all the Weimar variation reworkes out their.

LugerVern · 12-26-2008, 02:05 PM

We all look at differnet things to help us stay out of trouble. I early on started with a study of fonts. I have been mistaken on a couple of guns and I hope this is one of thoes cases.
Zamo made an informed decision in his purchase, thats good enough for me.

Everyone did thier part, thats what its all about.

Vern

Zamo · 01-13-2009, 01:40 PM

OK, I finally got it. Upon inspection, the finish is very likely original, as it is not nearly as nice as the somewhat dark original sellers pictures indicated. Edges are crisp, machine marks evident, the inside is white...rampant oxidation and freckling all over...I don't see any reason to suspect the finish.
The interesting proof on the rear looks like a double stamp, though I haven't found an online image of what its supposed to look like, it looks like a poor stamp offset a few MM's, and re-stamped.
It is still there, which is the interesting thing.
The side plate is still questionable, though there is a second matching serial number on the underside. This may be the clincher, one way or the other. Were these side plates ever double marked? Side and bottom? I've only seen one or the other, but I'm not as experienced, nor have as many books as many of you. For what it's worth the stamp on the underside matches the stamp on the safety bar. There are nothing but machining marks on the inside of the side plate.
Everything else matches, grips, striker, ejector. I stayed up late last night taking pictures and putting them on my web page, though I haven't added much commentary yet.
I ended up getting it for much less than the original asking price, so I am happy with it, even if it turns out the side plate isn't correct. Other than the odd font on the side, and the double location stamping, it APPEARS correct, meaning the hue, oxidation, scratching, etc. all balance with the rest of the pistol.
I have found one defect with it, the "L" shaped spring inside the takedown lever shaft is broken and missing half of it's original length. Enough is present to function, but it shows up as a "hole" when looking at it from the side. I don't know if I am going to do anything about it or not. It's not a serial numbered part, but as I don't really intend to shoot it, it's not a pressing issue. So I'll probably just leave it as is for now.

http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/dwm1916.htm

George Anderson · 01-13-2009, 04:20 PM

A war time DWM military Luger would have the last 0ne or two digits if the serial number on the flat outside and none on the bottum. It should also have the first two digits of the serial number on the back side on the bottum edge.

01-13-2009, 01:40 PM	#23
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	OK, I finally got it. Upon inspection, the finish is very likely original, as it is not nearly as nice as the somewhat dark original sellers pictures indicated. Edges are crisp, machine marks evident, the inside is white...rampant oxidation and freckling all over...I don't see any reason to suspect the finish. The interesting proof on the rear looks like a double stamp, though I haven't found an online image of what its supposed to look like, it looks like a poor stamp offset a few MM's, and re-stamped. It is still there, which is the interesting thing. The side plate is still questionable, though there is a second matching serial number on the underside. This may be the clincher, one way or the other. Were these side plates ever double marked? Side and bottom? I've only seen one or the other, but I'm not as experienced, nor have as many books as many of you. For what it's worth the stamp on the underside matches the stamp on the safety bar. There are nothing but machining marks on the inside of the side plate. Everything else matches, grips, striker, ejector. I stayed up late last night taking pictures and putting them on my web page, though I haven't added much commentary yet. I ended up getting it for much less than the original asking price, so I am happy with it, even if it turns out the side plate isn't correct. Other than the odd font on the side, and the double location stamping, it APPEARS correct, meaning the hue, oxidation, scratching, etc. all balance with the rest of the pistol. I have found one defect with it, the "L" shaped spring inside the takedown lever shaft is broken and missing half of it's original length. Enough is present to function, but it shows up as a "hole" when looking at it from the side. I don't know if I am going to do anything about it or not. It's not a serial numbered part, but as I don't really intend to shoot it, it's not a pressing issue. So I'll probably just leave it as is for now. http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/dwm1916.htm __________________ <INSERT WITTY SAYING HERE> My collection: http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/guns.htm Last edited by Zamo; 01-13-2009 at 01:58 PM. Reason: Typo's

12-26-2008, 12:13 PM	#21
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	I too have noticed the difference with the serial number fonts. Which brings to mind what a old time collector told me that not everything is etched in stone regarding all the Luger variations out their. Just take a look at all the Weimar variation reworkes out their.

12-26-2008, 02:05 PM	#22
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	We all look at differnet things to help us stay out of trouble. I early on started with a study of fonts. I have been mistaken on a couple of guns and I hope this is one of thoes cases. Zamo made an informed decision in his purchase, thats good enough for me. Everyone did thier part, thats what its all about. Vern

01-13-2009, 04:20 PM	#24
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	A war time DWM military Luger would have the last 0ne or two digits if the serial number on the flat outside and none on the bottum. It should also have the first two digits of the serial number on the back side on the bottum edge.