1900 Long Barrel Prototype Luger

[waffenrec]

Hello
I have for sale a Luger SN 10010 B. Cal. 30 Luger. original blue.
All matching, no rust
There are pics where you can see finger prints over the oil... sorry
In the inside barrel pic, there are dust over the oil
The last pic (manual) is just for reference, not included.
Rare early Luger with 6-3/4" barrel.
Item located in Argentina

Price U$S 27.000

Import licences required

Thanks
Adrian
waffenrec@yahoo.com

[drbuster]

Is there a "GL" monogram on the rear toggle face or rear of the frame?

[waffenrec]

no, there are not any "GL"

Thanks
Adrian

[Ron Wood]

It is a little bit difficult to tell for sure, but it appears that there is a detent in the right side of the stock lug for the early push-button stock. I have recorded 5 other Lugers in the early 10000 range, all lower than 10010 and none with the B suffix. These pieces do have the push-button stock detent in the stock lug. A good clear photo of the right side of the stock lug would be helpful. I would not expect a GL on this series of Luger, but I also would not expect a B suffix.
It also looks like the magazine is of the early flat-button type, but I would not expect this Luger to have an unrelieved frame. Also, the punch crimp at the top of the magazine appears rectangular rather than "D" shaped and the checkering on the button is fairly coarse, which is not usually typical of a DWM produced magazine. A real odd item. A photo of the bottom of the grip with the magazine removed would also be appreciated.

[alanint]

I'm in Buenos Aires from Sunday through Thursday of next week if anybody needs any go-between on this item.

[Imperial Arms]

Hello Chico,

It is interesting to learn that you are offering this pistol for sale which we had previously discussed a few months ago.

For those collectors who wish to have some insight about this particular pistol, I wish to share my opinions regarding this pistol:

1) It is not unusual for this pistol to have a B-suffix. I am aware of a same pistol with the exact serial number 10000 without a suffix. My explanation of the B-suffix could indicate a dealer sample pistol in comparison to a few Mauser C96 'alphabet' pistols which I have examined (made around 1902-1904) having only a character for a record such as L, M, Q, R, and U. It is interesting to observe that some other early Luger pistols with a B-suffix have different barrel lengths (in one or two cases in caliber 9 mm) which DWM may have been sending out to foreign dealers or military commissions for evaluation or test marketing;

2) Although this pistol does not have an unrelieved frame, it is acceptable that the pistol was provided with a magazine having a flat button. There is no set rule from DWM which dictates the type of (early) magazine for an early Luger pistol. There is nothing odd about this magazine which is absolutely correct and untouched.

It is a pity that the push-button stock is missing which would make this pistol more desirable. Maybe the next owner will consider having a replica stock made for this pistol, but the attaching iron has to be made with precision.

Cheers,
Albert

[waffenrec]

Originally posted by Imperial Arms
Hello Chico,

It is interesting ....
Cheers,
Albert

Hello friend how are you? thanks for your coments, you will have a special place in my island, with free pi�±a colada!!!! jajaja

[A.Mifsin]

Hi All,
Can somebody be kind enough and give us (or me) more information regarding the Push Button Stock, because this is news to me.
Regards
Alf.

[Ron Wood]

Alf,
Some of the first Lugers that employed a shoulder stock had a push button locking mechanism rather than the rotating lever with which we are more familiar. There was no cam and dwell to secure the stock, but rather a catch that fit into a detent in the right stock lug slot as I posted previously. The pushbutton released this catch from the detent.


Here is an example stock from a presentation carbine:

[A.Mifsin]

Thank Ron, for a very valuable information. Do we have any dates when the rotating lever type as we know it, came into production ?
Alf

[Imperial Arms]

Hello Alfred,

The rotating lever type stock attachment first came into production on the M1902 Luger (Presentation) Carbine in the year 1903. Such an attachment is on a presentation carbine (serial #9112C) with the chamber marking 'HCR 1903'.

Albert

[Imperial Arms]

Hello Chico,

I don't want any of that cheap Barcardi rum in my PC!! Give me the real strong stuff and a woman with large coconuts!!

Salud,
Albert

[Navy]

Albert,

May I recommend Ron Zapaca, an exquisite solera-style rum from Guatemala. The 30 year old is pure sipping delight.

Tom A

[Ron Wood]

To add to Albert's observation about the rotating lever on the 1903 HCR Presentation Carbine, this is also the same time that the 1903/04 Navy with its board stock and rotating lever attaching iron was produced.

[Imperial Arms]

Tom, you hit it right on with the recommendation/mention of Ron Zapaca - it's the best rum of the world in my opinion. Indeed, it is a superb sipping delight, but I would not use it in a PC. Knowing your fine taste for excellent liqueurs and Lugers, you only go first class! Myself, I usually have to travel in modest style

Cheers,
Albert

[waffenrec]

To a collector who buy my Luger I'll add 2 bottles of the finest "thing" you can drink, ***

***condition drink the 2 bottles in the same night and don't shoot himself a feet with a $ 27K Luger...

Adrian

[A.Mifsin]

Thank You Albert and Ron for your reply
Alf.

[Ron Wood]

Sometimes I get so caught up in the details I fail to see the elephant standing on my foot. I very carefully noted what I thought was odd about the magazine, but Patrice (LU1900) pointed out to me that I missed the most obvious flaw. The magazine has a hole on the left side that is used to stake the follower button. A real flat button magazine doesnâ??t have a hole, the button is threaded and screws into the follower.

[A.Mifsin]

Originally posted by Ron Wood
Sometimes I get so caught up in the details I fail to see the elephant standing on my foot. I very carefully noted what I thought was odd about the magazine, but Patrice (LU1900) pointed out to me that I missed the most obvious flaw. The magazine has a hole on the left side that is used to stake the follower button. A real flat button magazine doesnâ??t have a hole, the button is threaded and screws into the follower.

Now you got me confussed again about the magazine.
Alf.

[Imperial Arms]

In my opinion, there is no 'flaw' with the magazine and nobody has 'messed' with it. What would be the reason to change a button to a flat-type? It is possible that DWM was using up old parts and combining them with newer parts. The retaining pin at the bottom of the magazine is perfect and untouched, so I believe that the integrity of the magazine is correct even though the flat button was theorically intended for an early unrelieved frame.

Albert