C96 broom

MarkC · 08-27-2006, 07:12 PM

Guys,

I have a "shooter" Red 9 (gripped) pistol serial number 888195 with c/u proofs all matching, refinished (pitting under some of the blue) , with a mismatched bolt. Is this a real "red 9" or has it been rebored?

It shoots great and I paid $350.00 for it several years ago.... as a "shooter". I don't have any books on these guns, so can one of you guys help me out?

No import marks on this gun and shot 150 rounds through her today ... what a "piss-ah" as we say in the Republic of Massachusetts .... I really need a stock for this gun for shooting it at 100 yards !!! ....

I had to replace the firing pin when I bought it but FUN to shoot! My collection includes the mismatched, refinished, cheap, "fun" stuff for the range.

The safety lever broke during the firing of the gun, another reason not to shoot the guns in your collections! .... How the "f***" does a safety lever break in one of these pistols?

Mark

lugerholsterrepair · 08-27-2006, 07:47 PM

Mark, Oddly enough I have had a safety lever break too! I wondered the same thing..I guess it is a common thing with this type of pistol. Funny as there does not seem to be any great amount of stress on this part. Jerry Burney

stefanosg · 08-27-2006, 07:52 PM

Me too, mine broke about a month ago. It never worked very well in the first place.

MarkC · 08-27-2006, 07:56 PM

Thanks!

It seems to me the part is a bit loose and the recoil causes vibrations that breaks off the end?

Mark

var99 · 08-27-2006, 10:09 PM

HI Mark,

The true WW1 9mm Military contract pistols had their own serial range, from 1 to about 135,000. Serial #888195 would actually have belonged to a model 1930, many of which went to Asia in those days and then came back in the 70-90's and were refinished and rebored to 9mm.

Vince

MarkC · 08-27-2006, 10:19 PM

Thanks Vince, I suspected as much ..... it sure shoots nice for a rebore .... even has a nice set of repro "Red 9" walnut grips.

Hugh · 08-28-2006, 12:21 AM

I broke the firing pin tip on mine, and didn't even know it until I took it apart months later. It was shooting great with a broken firing pin!

stefanosg · 08-28-2006, 06:43 AM

Mine keeps bending the tip of the firing pin. I got a repro and it bent too. I may take it to work and grind it down a bit and see if that fixes the problem.

Lugerdoc · 08-28-2006, 08:28 AM

Mark, I agree with Vince that your broom is a reworked M30 and the safety levers for these (should be marked F&S) are very hard to find. Since they are hardened spring steel, they flex every time the safety if applied and become brittle. To the best of my recollection, the original Red Nice range ran from 1 to 176K and original grips will have the full serial inside both sides. Tom

Navy · 08-31-2006, 02:11 PM

Guys,

If you are shooting your brooms, please, please, please replace the locking block with a new one. Having an old one give way will send you to the hospital if not the morgue.

Tom A

MarkC · 08-31-2006, 02:46 PM

Tom,

Do you know where to find new production locking blocks?

Mark

Steve Richards · 09-01-2006, 08:16 PM

Check with LugerDoc on this forum. He has had them in the past. When I bought my C96 from him, he had replace that part already.

Steve Richards

trigger643 · 09-01-2006, 08:50 PM

I bought my C/96 from Lugerdoc, too. He left it laying out on purpose just to tempt me... leather is from lugerholsterrepairer, stock is from Len Antaris

Lugerdoc · 09-02-2006, 09:28 AM

Guy, I do have a few new German made repro broom bolt stops available @$35 each + $2 snail mail or $5 priority S&H. TH

08-27-2006, 07:12 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	C96 broom Guys, I have a "shooter" Red 9 (gripped) pistol serial number 888195 with c/u proofs all matching, refinished (pitting under some of the blue) , with a mismatched bolt. Is this a real "red 9" or has it been rebored? It shoots great and I paid $350.00 for it several years ago.... as a "shooter". I don't have any books on these guns, so can one of you guys help me out? No import marks on this gun and shot 150 rounds through her today ... what a "piss-ah" as we say in the Republic of Massachusetts .... I really need a stock for this gun for shooting it at 100 yards !!! .... I had to replace the firing pin when I bought it but FUN to shoot! My collection includes the mismatched, refinished, cheap, "fun" stuff for the range. The safety lever broke during the firing of the gun, another reason not to shoot the guns in your collections! .... How the "f***" does a safety lever break in one of these pistols? Mark

08-27-2006, 07:47 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Mark, Oddly enough I have had a safety lever break too! I wondered the same thing..I guess it is a common thing with this type of pistol. Funny as there does not seem to be any great amount of stress on this part. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-27-2006, 07:52 PM	#3
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Me too, mine broke about a month ago. It never worked very well in the first place. __________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

08-28-2006, 12:21 AM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	I broke the firing pin tip on mine, and didn't even know it until I took it apart months later. It was shooting great with a broken firing pin! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-28-2006, 08:28 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Mark, I agree with Vince that your broom is a reworked M30 and the safety levers for these (should be marked F&S) are very hard to find. Since they are hardened spring steel, they flex every time the safety if applied and become brittle. To the best of my recollection, the original Red Nice range ran from 1 to 176K and original grips will have the full serial inside both sides. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-27-2006, 07:56 PM	#4
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Thanks! It seems to me the part is a bit loose and the recoil causes vibrations that breaks off the end? Mark

08-27-2006, 10:09 PM	#5
var99 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	HI Mark, The true WW1 9mm Military contract pistols had their own serial range, from 1 to about 135,000. Serial #888195 would actually have belonged to a model 1930, many of which went to Asia in those days and then came back in the 70-90's and were refinished and rebored to 9mm. Vince

08-27-2006, 10:19 PM	#6
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Thanks Vince, I suspected as much ..... it sure shoots nice for a rebore .... even has a nice set of repro "Red 9" walnut grips.

08-28-2006, 06:43 AM	#8
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Mine keeps bending the tip of the firing pin. I got a repro and it bent too. I may take it to work and grind it down a bit and see if that fixes the problem. __________________ "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

08-31-2006, 02:11 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Guys, If you are shooting your brooms, please, please, please replace the locking block with a new one. Having an old one give way will send you to the hospital if not the morgue. Tom A

08-31-2006, 02:46 PM	#11
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Tom, Do you know where to find new production locking blocks? Mark

09-01-2006, 08:16 PM	#12
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Check with LugerDoc on this forum. He has had them in the past. When I bought my C96 from him, he had replace that part already. Steve Richards

09-01-2006, 08:50 PM	#13
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I bought my C/96 from Lugerdoc, too. He left it laying out on purpose just to tempt me... leather is from lugerholsterrepairer, stock is from Len Antaris __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

09-02-2006, 09:28 AM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Guy, I do have a few new German made repro broom bolt stops available @$35 each + $2 snail mail or $5 priority S&H. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net