Where's the beef?

[alanint]

This sounds like a single individual. Were any of the same faces present during both incidents?

I'm surprised the range itself does not have cameras on the firing line. This is becoming more and more prevalent.

[mastermo]

Maybe you can set up a camera hidden in your range bag to run while you are away from the bench and catch the SOB. Or at the very least clue the rangers in to watch who goes near you bench. .....Curly1

---Good suggestions, thx.,
M

[Kitkat041836]

If I found out who did that to my gun they would be my next
target.

[mastermo]

Sounds like the Envy and Jealousy of an immature mind to me. ....Ron Smith
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This sounds like a single individual. Were any of the same faces present during both incidents?

I'm surprised the range itself does not have cameras on the firing line. This is becoming more and more prevalent. ........Alanint
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---------Hi guys, to reply to both posts maybe this might give some-sort of picture.
I have suspicions on both incidents but no proof. The first one there was a Jewish looking old man being not too friendly towards me with his looks and avoidance of my presence right next to him. Btw. he was only shooting to 10 yds which it would fit that he would return while we were walking away to our targets.
After the incident, I approached him, actually thinking he did it, and told him what happened and asked if he saw anyone come thru or beside my bench? He said bluntly, 'no' and quickly turned his face the other way. So, I said that I sure would like to find this 'coward blank blank'.
He stated it would be foolish to do something like that for everyone has guns. Which I replied 'you're dam right everyone and I mean everyone has guns and I walked away thinking this might have clued him that I thought he was the sneaky B**
I thought maybe he still carried hate towards anything that reminded him of the war and what happened to his people, maybe.
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The second incident, there were two big, big guys, maybe 300 lbs. each, wearing black clothes, pants, shirts w/Gothic stuff and short, short hair. They were shooting AK-47's shooting at 25 yds.
Well, I watched them for a while and they were shooting absolutely terrible. They were missing by 8 ft. sometimes, but I kept quiet since it was none of my business. And after a while I thought maybe it might be friendly if I suggested a hint. To know where the impact or splash is hitting helps to compensate, so, I told them that they were hitting way high and one replied, 'it doesn't matter we're just shooting for the help of it. And I replied, 'Aaa...gotcha have fun.'

They did notice my shooting groups were all around the bull-eye's. Then I moved the targets to 100 yds. and that's when that young fella, I mention in another post that was sent by his dad, to ask what kind of pistols was I using because his dad noticed I was on target every time at 100 yds. using pistols. I'm sure the two fat guys next to me surely heard us talking.

Here is when the sanding happen. I went to the restroom and when I returned sand was on my gun, btw, I was by myself this time, but I just acted like nothing happen and brushed it away and continued shooting to kinda let them know ( or whoever did it) it didn't affect me giving the notion that what they did 'failed'.

Not too soon after that they moved their target to 100 yds.
About a half-hour later, one of them, walked up and fired a full clip and said loudly, "That's my pattern!" and both of them left, even leaving their target out there. ---This is where I felt something was bugging them. Maybe jealousy and they felt inferior.

Later when I was leaving, I went to retrieve my targets and noticed their target, lol, there were only 3 hits on paper, he had missed all except 3 shots....And yes, 'That was his pattern'
I brought both targets, mine and theirs, back since I knew the Park Rangers would have to go out there and bring theirs back. ---I did it for the Park Rangers not for them,
So, my suspicion was that they were the culprits.
M

[mastermo]

If I found out who did that to my gun they would be my next
target. ....KitKat

---LOL, believe me I too felt that way for a second....or two, or three
M

[alanint]

My favorite Range story is the day I set up one early Saturday morning and saw a friend three tables away. In walks this "macho man" with his long suffering wife in trail.

They took the two tables between us. This guy is literally screaming at her to do this and that and berating her terribly for each percieved infraction of his explicit instructions.

Mr Man pulls out an M1 Carbine and an AR15 and sets one on each table. His wife starts off with the Carbine and Mr. Big Shot the AR. A smile crossed my face when I realized that me and my buddy three tables down were shooting the same calibers. I leaned way back in my chair and looked over at him. He was looking back at me with a Cheshire cat smile. He was thinking the same thing. He had a scoped and bipoded Kimber .22 Bolt gun and I had a Scoped Galil in .308 on a bipod. Since she had the Carbine it was my turn first. They were shooting at 25 yards so it was child's play.

The poor wife was missing the paper altogether but when the line was called she had an enviable, tight group, almost all in the "X" ring, of .30 caliber holes. She squealed with delight while hubby practically burst an artery.
After replacing their targets, (she wanted to keep hers), he furiously swapped guns with her, as the Carbine was certainly more accurate. It was my friend's turn on center stage. At the end of the shooting string, she had an even tighter group, center "X", of .22 caliber holes, (she was on the bench right next to my friend).
Mr. Macho nearly hit the ceiling. They packed up immediately and left. My friend and I broke up laughing as soon as they were out of earshot, although it was sobering to think later that we had probably earned her a beating that night.

[mastermo]

" My friend and I broke up laughing as soon as they were out of earshot, although it was sobering to think later that we had probably earned her a beating that night. " ...Alanint

---Maybe not if he re-thinks of her target groups of the day,
M

[alanint]

A coward like that would lie in wait for conditions to be in his favor.....

[Patronen]

Originally Posted by mastermo

Sounds like the Envy and Jealousy of an immature mind to me. ....Ron Smith
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This sounds like a single individual. Were any of the same faces present during both incidents?

I'm surprised the range itself does not have cameras on the firing line. This is becoming more and more prevalent. ........Alanint
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---------Hi guys, to reply to both posts maybe this might give some-sort of picture.
I have suspicions on both incidents but no proof. The first one there was a Jewish looking old man being not too friendly towards me with his looks and avoidance of my presence right next to him. Btw. he was only shooting to 10 yds which it would fit that he would return while we were walking away to our targets.
After the incident, I approached him, actually thinking he did it, and told him what happened and asked if he saw anyone come thru or beside my bench? He said bluntly, 'no' and quickly turned his face the other way. So, I said that I sure would like to find this 'coward blank blank'.
He stated it would be foolish to do something like that for everyone has guns. Which I replied 'you're dam right everyone and I mean everyone has guns and I walked away thinking this might have clued him that I thought he was the sneaky B**
I thought maybe he still carried hate towards anything that reminded him of the war and what happened to his people, maybe.
============================

The second incident, there were two big, big guys, maybe 300 lbs. each, wearing black clothes, pants, shirts w/Gothic stuff and short, short hair. They were shooting AK-47's shooting at 25 yds.
Well, I watched them for a while and they were shooting absolutely terrible. They were missing by 8 ft. sometimes, but I kept quiet since it was none of my business. And after a while I thought maybe it might be friendly if I suggested a hint. To know where the impact or splash is hitting helps to compensate, so, I told them that they were hitting way high and one replied, 'it doesn't matter we're just shooting for the help of it. And I replied, 'Aaa...gotcha have fun.'

They did notice my shooting groups were all around the bull-eye's. Then I moved the targets to 100 yds. and that's when that young fella, I mention in another post that was sent by his dad, to ask what kind of pistols was I using because his dad noticed I was on target every time at 100 yds. using pistols. I'm sure the two fat guys next to me surely heard us talking.

Here is when the sanding happen. I went to the restroom and when I returned sand was on my gun, btw, I was by myself this time, but I just acted like nothing happen and brushed it away and continued shooting to kinda let them know ( or whoever did it) it didn't affect me giving the notion that what they did 'failed'.

Not too soon after that they moved their target to 100 yds.
About a half-hour later, one of them, walked up and fired a full clip and said loudly, "That's my pattern!" and both of them left, even leaving their target out there. ---This is where I felt something was bugging them. Maybe jealousy and they felt inferior.

Later when I was leaving, I went to retrieve my targets and noticed their target, lol, there were only 3 hits on paper, he had missed all except 3 shots....And yes, 'That was his pattern'
I brought both targets, mine and theirs, back since I knew the Park Rangers would have to go out there and bring theirs back. ---I did it for the Park Rangers not for them,
So, my suspicion was that they were the culprits.
M

Sir, Not to tell you your buisness, but I wouldn't leave my gun lying around unattended, while I went to the restroom. That's asking for it.

Dave

[lugerholsterrepair]

Brush it off as a mild encounter with a deranged moron. Two ways to prevent people monkeying with your pistol. Put it under cover or in a case while you go down range or leave one of your buddies back on guard duty. I learned in the Military..NEVER leave your weapons unattended . I wear a shoulder holster to the range and take my Luger with me where ever I go.

[kmichaels90]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Brush it off as a mild encounter with a deranged moron. Two ways to prevent people monkeying with your pistol. Put it under cover or in a case while you go down range or leave one of your buddies back on guard duty. I learned in the Military..NEVER leave your weapons unattended . I wear a shoulder holster to the range and take my Luger with me where ever I go.

I have a $5 hip holster that I stick my 1911 in when I go downrange and I just carry the luger along. Though so far this year I have yet to encounter anyone but myself using the range. I must be the only person dumb enough to go out in subfreezing temps to shoot.

[Neil Young]

I agree with Jerry. I never leave a firearm unattended. I don't fear that anyone would mess with it, just steal it. It would be so easy for someone to pick a weapon up and be gone while you are in the butts--especially a handgun. Just my $0.02.

Neil

[alanint]

We learned years ago when shooting on the outskirts of Piccatiny Arsenal in New Jersey to ALWAYS leave an armed buddy behind on the line while out setting up targets.

I got tired of watching groups of "undesirables" show up there with ONE Mini 14 they all chipped in for at Sears, or Walmart, or K Mart, (yes, it was that long ago). These duffuses ended up shooting at the insulators on the high power lines over time, (Our "shooting pit" was along a high power line trail up the mountain behind Piccatiny Arsenal) that it was eventually closed to everybody.

Unless I am absolutely confident of where I am, (and I shoot very expensive Title 2 Firearms), we always leave a "minder" back at the firing line.

[Railsplitter]

Vandalism, period, makes no sense to me. Theft does. I have something someone likes and for whatever reason he feels that he may not be able to acquire it on his own so he takes it. That makes sense to me. However, to deliberately abuse or ruin something that does not belong to me in an attempt to make it so that nobody can derive any pleasure from it is mindless. I could live to be 100 and I will still not understand vandalism. I, and I suspect many other members of this Forum, was raised to respect the property of others more than my own. This act was uncalled for and unjustifiable.

[alvin]

Originally Posted by Railsplitter

Vandalism, period, makes no sense to me.

When I was in middle school, one day the teacher was so angry because a kid (not me) inserted a match into the classroom's lock hole. When the teacher tried to open the lock with the key, the key pushed that match further and further inside. Finally, the school had to damage that lock to open the door.

"This guy's activity hurts others, without benefiting himself".

We, as kids, were very happy to hear this story in the boring school life though.

[CAP Black]

I once had a friend who owned an auto repair shop where they also inspected autos. I took my almost new Mercedes there for inspection. He had another person do my inspection because he didn't want to touch it. It was German and he despised Germans as he had served in WWII but, not in Germany. I later took him a 1900 AE that I was so proud of - he was a gun nut - but he wouldn't touch it. Several months later he told me that my car was the prettiest car he had ever seen and he and his wife went to buy one like mine but he couldn't make himself buy one for reasons already stated.
Some people have such stupid hatred that they do bad things and say bad things.

[mastermo]

"I once had a friend who owned an auto repair shop where they also inspected autos. I took my almost new Mercedes there for inspection. He had another person do my inspection because he didn't want to touch it. It was German and he despised Germans as he had served in WWII but, not in Germany. I later took him a 1900 AE that I was so proud of - he was a gun nut - but he wouldn't touch it. Several months later he told me that my car was the prettiest car he had ever seen and he and his wife went to buy one like mine but he couldn't make himself buy one for reasons already stated.
Some people have such stupid hatred that they do bad things and say bad things. " .........CAP black
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---I totally agree. I think the old man fit this description.
Btw, I've had a '74 Porsche 914 (German of course, for over 35 yrs. that I upgraded to a 916. Put flares and wide tires and overhauled the engine, even though it didn't need it at 49,000 mi., since parts for the engine are still available and affordable. Also, rear spoiler and front air dam, etc. It has given me great service and pleasure to drive. Can you imagine the $ it has saved me not having to buy a new car after 3 or 4 yrs.
People, strange but even little kids look and get others to look at it, wave, ask, admire it almost every time I take it out. I only put about 500 mi. per yr. and it still does the 150 mph. --Not that I've driven it at that speed but by the rpm's and speed it figures it can do it.

Not to stray away from the subject too far, I have only had one man, in 35 yrs. say he would not buy a 'rice burner' because of what they did to his uncle in the war (prisoner and tortured).
I asked him what was his uncle doing during the war when he was captured, and he, after some persuasion for an answer, replied he was a bomber. ---I didn't say it to him but in war they don't treat you well if you are killing their side. That's war.
I haven't seen any prejudice bias faces concerning the car. But....I certainly have concerning German weapons.
M

[cdmech]

I got dirt on a gun left behind me on a table at the range once. Turned out it was from a squirrel knocking trash off the awning rafters. At first I just couldn't understand what I was looking at, then more fell on my head. That had to be one deaf squirrel.
Marc

[mastermo]

Sir, Not to tell you your buisness, but I wouldn't leave my gun lying around unattended, while I went to the restroom. That's asking for it............Dave
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A coward like that would lie in wait for conditions to be in his favor..... Alanint
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I have a $5 hip holster that I stick my 1911 in when I go downrange and I just carry the luger along. Though so far this year I have yet to encounter anyone but myself using the range. I must be the only person dumb enough to go out in subfreezing temps to shoot......KMichael90
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I agree with Jerry. I never leave a firearm unattended. I don't fear that anyone would mess with it, just steal it. It would be so easy for someone to pick a weapon up and be gone while you are in the butts--especially a handgun. Just my $0.02. .........Neil
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Dave, Dave, KMichael90, Neil,
Wow, how different your ranges operate compared to here! Here one cannot carry a loaded weapon at all into the range or during in or out. They check you upon entering and signing in. Before cease-fire all, and I mean all weapons must be cleared and open bolts/breaches and each individual bench is checked by a ranger.
During cease-fire, you absolutely cannot be near or touch anything on the bench, or pack or unpack any gun, except pass between the benches to go to check or move targets, and while doing this one cannot carry any kind of loaded or unloaded weapon. Not, even Lugers KM-90.

Now, anyone can pass any bench they want going or coming back from ck'ing your targets. Some short-cut to put their target holders while preparing to leave.

When I went to the restroom, I thought it would be safe since it was during cease-fire and as Alanint said, " A coward like that would lie in wait for conditions to be in his favor." ---It would be very hard to detect someone who walks by and slyly drops the sand on the weapons. This would only take a second and he may be looking for witnesses the whole time. He doesn't have to see where he drops it for his hand is only inches away from his target.

And believe me the Park Rangers, approximately one every five benches plus the ranger on a high platform who loudly yells over the PA, will get the attention of anyone who violates this rule. Mostly new comers are the ones who think it is ok to just get close to their bench without touching anything or get something safe like glasses, etc. No they can't there is a blue line behind the benches about 8 ft. away we have to wait for everyone to return before the line becomes 'hot' again.

Both ranges run 7 days a week and during the wk. usually have around 60 to 100 shooters. And during the weekend, about 200 to 300.
M

[mastermo]

Originally Posted by Railsplitter

Vandalism, period, makes no sense to me. Theft does. I have something someone likes and for whatever reason he feels that he may not be able to acquire it on his own so he takes it. That makes sense to me. However, to deliberately abuse or ruin something that does not belong to me in an attempt to make it so that nobody can derive any pleasure from it is mindless. I could live to be 100 and I will still not understand vandalism. I, and I suspect many other members of this Forum, was raised to respect the property of others more than my own. This act was uncalled for and unjustifiable.

---Rs, it probably makes sense to them because they took pleasure in doing that. There are some that enjoy 'sick thrills.'
M