GunsAmerica Hates Us

Lifted this off The PP/PPk collectors forum. This stemmed from an inquiry to get help from the owner of GunsAmerica and his stance on German WW2 weapons.


I guess the guns made them do it. I just thought it was evil people.


Also note that Colts killed bad guys...[only]


Strange illogical thoughts?..but bigots and logic have little to do with each other.


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"We were prefer you keep these guns off the site, and we would even more prefer you bury them. I also stand behind (and feel free to post this to all your user groups) that anyone who wants to own one of these (as opposed to being forced to handle it in the course of business) is a NUT and should seek professional help.


Even if GunsAmerica wasn't owned by orthodox Jews who had millions of relatives helplessly slaughtered by these guns we would discourage their posting on the site.


It's one thing to own an old Colt that killed bad guys. Even though the implement was used to take a life it was for overall good.


You have to be really sick to want to own something even touched by a nazi (may their names be blotted out). Never mind something that almost for certain took innocent lives.


There weren't any warehoused, unused guns. If you think owning it is harmless history, fine. It's your soul.


But though we can't prevent you from listing them, we'd prefer you take your business elsewhere, and from the sale, we prefer you'd keep your GA fee and just remove the gun sold by you. -


Shlomo"

[Herb]

Shadow, would you kindly post the URL of this message, I have friends that would love to see this. Thanks. Sieg Heil. LOL.

[Jose Luis]

if this is your opinion, why you write to this FORUM?.Weapons don't kill,only people do.

I understand the gentlemens feelings from GunAmerica, but there is a difference in glorification and liking a historical piece of firearm.


Of course, maybe 1/2 the Lugers made were before nazism took over.


Does his disliking include P38's, PPK's, K98's etc.,? And that adds up to a lot of guns and a lot of buisness, because if I had a buisness and decided not to sell my above guns on it, why would I sell any?


Ed

Dear All - friend Shlomo seems to have overlooked that the principal rifle in the war that followed immediately on the declaration of an independent Israel was the Gew98K , many of which bore the signs of having been manufactured in Nazi Germany - I don't recall ever speaking to a soldier from those difficult times who would rather have put it down than pick it up and use it. 'Forged in fire' the motto of the Israeli Armed Forces, and the first army since Simon bar Kosibar armed with German weapons, forged in the fire of the second world war.

Shalom


Terry Foley

http://home.thezone.net/~k98k/k98kframe.html

In a like vein, the Bf-109 and Fw-190 were the backbone of the Israeli Air Force for many years.

[Thor]

Third Reich Lugers by Jan Still, page 238 states "Documentation from Israel indicates that this Luger was imported by the "Electric Company of Israel" during the late 1930's. It is likely left over from an undelivered portion of the portion of the Stoeger contract {STOEGER AMERICAN EAGLE} and routed to Israel." I find this Luger highly interesting considering all the evil attachements some have for Lugers and the previous statements in this thread. In my view the Luger was a tool and a darn amazing one, especially considering the engineering marvel it was in early 1900 when it was conceived. All the AXIS soldiers could have used a 1911 45 to do the same bad stuff if they had them, but it doesnt make the weapon evil IMO. ~Thor~

[Herb]

There is a misconception of the Army of Germany of the great war of WWII. All of these soldiers were not "Nazi's" just as all of the members of the armed forces of the US are not Democrats nor Republicans. The Nazi Party, the NSDAP, (Nationional Socilaistiche Democratiche Arbiter Partei) or something like that, was a political party. The hard core party members are the one's that committed the atrocites of the war, not all of the soldiers were involved in this but apparently all of them get blamed for them. Every German soldier that carried a Luger did not necessarily use it to kill innocent civilians, but they are saddled with that belief. If you were a soldier and you were in a situation that may have required you to use a side arm to protect your life I think that you would do so, does this make you a 'nazi' I don't think so. War is a nasty business at best and things happen that many nations are not proud of, remember the Calley trial of Vietnam? A soldier gone awry, it happens in the heat of battle, if you haven't been there, done that, then it is very hard to understand what happens to the normal thought processes when the lead is flying. Don't commit all Lugers to the Nazi mentality, many of them were never fired in anger.

[Thor]

Herb, you and I agree! ~Thor~

In the General Information section of the Luger Forum, DOK's has written a strong statement policy in the "Foum Decorum" under the topic of "Forbidden Topics & Posting" and the issue of the luger and its ties to the Nazi party.


Someone might want to consider sending a copy of this statement to the Owners at GunsAmerica. This would let the folks at GunsAmerica know who the Luger Forum folks are...


Banning lugers seems as inconsistent to me as banning folks driving BMW cars just because these cars are built by the folks that used to build German plans used in the War more than 50 years ago.

[Steve]

People need to remember that George Luger designed the gun before WWI. Durring that war, the world Jewish council (not its correct name) almost declared for Germany because the Germans were fighting the Russian empire which conducted regular pogroms against the Jews in its territory. History is a complicated tangle of changing aliances and enemies

[TheRomanhistorian]

Not to mention that during the Great War I have remembered reading in some histories that there were Jewish men who fought for the Kaiser. I guess one could say that it has a bad association with the Nazi Germans but in the end, a gun is just a gun (to badly paraphrase Freud).

[Herb]

Can't prove it but I have heard that the Italian Air Force had airplanes with engines on the front and rear so that they could change directions depending upon who was winning at any particular time. LOL, No offence intended to our Italian members, maybe some sould verify this.

[Dok]

Wm. "Pete" raises and interesting point... it's a good job the GA guys don't allow other items to be listed on their site... the poor Volkswagen would never sell... designed under Hitler's direct supervision... we should never have loved that little car, we should have scorned it, and banned its use everywhere, horrible symbol of Nazi arrogance... Hmmmm I seem to recall a a few Jews that owned Volkswagens, I guess they didn't know about them...

[Herb]

The link I clicked on took me to the main web site, but not to the message. Any closer link would be appreciated.

GO TO THAT SPOT


CLICK ON FORUM


GO DOWN TO GUNSAMERICA/CLICK ON IT

[Lonnie Zimmerman]

This was a German fighter plane, with at least one still around.

How soon are the facts forgotten in the face of "Blatent Propaganda".

Do We Not Remember that the only Legal producer of the Luger pistol was SIMPSON & Co., ( Reputed to be a Jewish Company ), From 1918 thru 1932.

Were the SIMPSON & Co. Officers and Workers Nazi's?(Heil No).

ViggoG

[BILL]

Who cares what GunsAmerica thinks? It is fairly hypocritical for anyone who profits by selling firearms to condemn anyone who collects them. One weirdo at one internet gun site doesn't warrant too much concern. Don't do business with GunsAmerica, don't let anyone you know do business with them and email them a note to explain your feelings and actions. I think they will get the drift.

We have had the nazi/collector controversy here before and that is why we have language in our 'Forum Decorum' for dealing with this exact topic. I think that before it goes too far we will probably see it disappear. Threads like this have a life of their own and it isn't about Lugers or freedom of speech.