Lugers In Argentina...

Pete Ebbink · 01-02-2007, 04:05 PM

Lots of Lugers for sale from Argentina.

I started the discussion over on Jan Still's Gun Boards if folks want to look at the photos and get other info.

I will update the postings, there, if I get more detailed info. from the seller (whom appears to be an agent for the Owner of the guns).

Here is the link :

http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10169

davidkachel · 01-03-2007, 02:12 PM

I posted this on Gunboards, thought it might be a good idea to duplicate it here:

Guys,

Be very, very careful. I lived in South America (Peru) for several years. Guns are not easily obtained (except on the black market, but that's another story), are usually low-end Spanish and Italian manufacture, and are generally very expensive. I also have a niece who is married to an Argentinian and through him I know that each and every gun requires yearly renewed permits, fees and paperwork. This is a massive collection the guy is offering and contains extremely desireable guns. Though possible, I would say that the likelihood that someone anywhere in South America would have the wherewithal and the knowledge to amass such a collection is very, very low.
In South America a gun collector is a guy with 3 or 4 guns. This is, to put it conservatively, extraordinary and inconsistent. It just doesn't feel right.

If I were interested I would fly to Argentina and insist on first hand inspection, supervision of crating and following the crates until they are on board ship. I would also insist on escrow for the funds until the weapons arrive in the US and can be verified as the same weapons shipped.

In short, I'd be very surprised if something was not rotten in Argentina.

Pete Ebbink · 01-03-2007, 04:41 PM

Hi David,

You are abosolutely right about any gun purchase from outside the USA for American buyers. I only buy from sellers I know and trust outside of the USA.

I took the time to post the Luger photos on Jan's Gun Boards as many of the guns seem to be honest, old authentic guns with wear, rust, patina, etc. you would expect to see more often here in the USA.

Just too many minty and "sock drawer" or "attic" Lugers for sale in the USA...but that is only my opinion.

davidkachel · 01-04-2007, 04:07 PM

There is a wealth of guns to be had in South America, but not in large collections.
I've actually been thinking about this for years but haven't quite figured out a way to go about it.
There are lots and lots of "sock drawer" pistols in SA. Old lemon squeezers and the like.
Because of the economic situation in most SA countries, owners of these guns would jump at the chance to sell them because they need the money and no one there has the money to buy them.
But a very large percentage of these weapons are "off the grid", so owners are reluctant to even make anyone aware they have them, let alone offer them for sale.
An ad in a newspaper offering to buy guns would probably get an incredible response if owners had some kind of guarantee the local constabulary wouldn't be waiting for them.
At the turn of the century there were many Europeans who moved to SA and stayed for various reasons and having no gun laws in SA at the time, they brought many guns with them and purchased even more.
These guns were passed on to subsequent generations and as a rule are in very good condition.
There is a lot of potential there, but the problem is digging them out and getting them out.

01-02-2007, 04:05 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Lugers In Argentina... Lots of Lugers for sale from Argentina. I started the discussion over on Jan Still's Gun Boards if folks want to look at the photos and get other info. I will update the postings, there, if I get more detailed info. from the seller (whom appears to be an agent for the Owner of the guns). Here is the link : http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10169

01-03-2007, 02:12 PM	#2
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I posted this on Gunboards, thought it might be a good idea to duplicate it here: Guys, Be very, very careful. I lived in South America (Peru) for several years. Guns are not easily obtained (except on the black market, but that's another story), are usually low-end Spanish and Italian manufacture, and are generally very expensive. I also have a niece who is married to an Argentinian and through him I know that each and every gun requires yearly renewed permits, fees and paperwork. This is a massive collection the guy is offering and contains extremely desireable guns. Though possible, I would say that the likelihood that someone anywhere in South America would have the wherewithal and the knowledge to amass such a collection is very, very low. In South America a gun collector is a guy with 3 or 4 guns. This is, to put it conservatively, extraordinary and inconsistent. It just doesn't feel right. If I were interested I would fly to Argentina and insist on first hand inspection, supervision of crating and following the crates until they are on board ship. I would also insist on escrow for the funds until the weapons arrive in the US and can be verified as the same weapons shipped. In short, I'd be very surprised if something was not rotten in Argentina. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

01-04-2007, 04:07 PM	#4
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	There is a wealth of guns to be had in South America, but not in large collections. I've actually been thinking about this for years but haven't quite figured out a way to go about it. There are lots and lots of "sock drawer" pistols in SA. Old lemon squeezers and the like. Because of the economic situation in most SA countries, owners of these guns would jump at the chance to sell them because they need the money and no one there has the money to buy them. But a very large percentage of these weapons are "off the grid", so owners are reluctant to even make anyone aware they have them, let alone offer them for sale. An ad in a newspaper offering to buy guns would probably get an incredible response if owners had some kind of guarantee the local constabulary wouldn't be waiting for them. At the turn of the century there were many Europeans who moved to SA and stayed for various reasons and having no gun laws in SA at the time, they brought many guns with them and purchased even more. These guns were passed on to subsequent generations and as a rule are in very good condition. There is a lot of potential there, but the problem is digging them out and getting them out. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

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01-03-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi David, You are abosolutely right about any gun purchase from outside the USA for American buyers. I only buy from sellers I know and trust outside of the USA. I took the time to post the Luger photos on Jan's Gun Boards as many of the guns seem to be honest, old authentic guns with wear, rust, patina, etc. you would expect to see more often here in the USA. Just too many minty and "sock drawer" or "attic" Lugers for sale in the USA...but that is only my opinion.