Code K.W.K. who made this holster?

Doug G. · 09-06-2002, 09:26 PM

Ok. I've looked in every refrence book I have. Who is the maker? Holster is brown. TIA. [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]confused.gif[/img]

Garfield · 09-07-2002, 01:38 AM

Is that WaA101?

Doug G. · 09-07-2002, 08:55 AM

This is a better pic. It reads K.W.K. WaA 107 1939
I see a refrence to a R.W.K., but not the one I have.

wterrell · 09-07-2002, 11:25 AM

Could that be an ampersand? (&)

Garfield · 09-07-2002, 02:15 PM

Doug:

I can't find a reference for Wa107. The only reference that I can find for kwk (and this is the small letter code, not caps with periods) is in Walter, German Military Letter Codes as follows ( I find the "wrongly associated" language interesting):
"kwk" - Schnellpressenfabrik AG, Heildleburg, Eppelheimerstrasse 5-7. Sometimes wrongly associated with the manufacture of leatherware, this company made printing machinery. (Note KwK is the standard abbreviation for Kamphwaggenkanone or "tank gun"."

Not many manufacturers used initials in caps for their maker mark, to my recollection. AKAH, CZ, E.K.S.T, DWLP come to mind.

Navy · 09-08-2002, 12:56 PM

WaA 107 is Auwater und Brubeck (sp?) of Stuttgart...leather goods. I have several of their holsters.
Hope this helps,
Tom A.

Herb · 09-08-2002, 01:14 PM

Tom WaA 107 used by Auwaerter was for the year 1934. In 1939 it was assigned to Schnellpressenfabrik and was capitol letters K.W.K. (Costanzo, pages 373 and 374.)

Garfield · 09-08-2002, 02:14 PM

Point of claification: As I understand it, a numbered waffenampt stamp was assigned to a particular officer, who may have had other personel assisting him. It was the responsibility that officer to inspect and approve a particular item for acceptance by the military. If the item was up to spec it was stamped with the waffenampt. In the case of holsters, an inspector might be assigned to inspect several holster manufacturers whose factories were located in a designated area. All holsters inspected by that officer would bear the same waffenamt #. If the officer was tranfered to a different area, his stamp went with him.

Manufacturers, on the other hand, were assigned lettered codes, e.g., bml.

Plumb forgot about this data being included in Constanzo. Interesting to note the conflicting opinions held by Walther and Constanzo regarding the type of business conducted by Schnellpressenfabrik AG. Tom A, are any of your Wa 107 stamped holsters stamped with the maker's letter code? As indicated in Constanzo, officer 107, in addition to K.W.K and Auwaerter was also responsible for inspecting Hans Romer.

Doug G. · 09-10-2002, 08:19 AM

Thanks to all who helped, I guess I'll have to get a copy of Constanzo's book. What's it up to these days $200+? [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img]

Navy · 09-10-2002, 08:16 PM

Just took a look at the two A&B holsters I have and both are of the K-date type; too early for the manufactory codes...they both have WaA 107 codes, however.

I will look for additional info...I am certain that somewhere I have the name of this inspector.

Tom A.

Herb · 09-10-2002, 08:35 PM

Found a Costanzo at Abe Books for $250.00, not too bad as I have seen them go for as much as $425.00. As far as I know all copies are signed, and none have a dust jacket.

lsranch · 03-26-2006, 02:03 PM

I also have a K.W.K. 1939 holster inspected by WaA 107. Thanks for all the information. I'd drawn a blank on the code and inspector in all the references I have: Whittington, Still and Bender.

Ron Smith · 03-26-2006, 09:22 PM

Hi Lewis,

Welcome to the forum. Seems strange addressing a Captain by his first name. Even though it's been 33 years since I was separated. When did you retire?

Ron

Edward Tinker · 03-26-2006, 09:42 PM

Hello Lewis and welcome to the forum! This is about a 4 year old thread, although Doug is still an active member, he might not have this holster anymore!

ed

09-06-2002, 09:26 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Code K.W.K. who made this holster? Ok. I've looked in every refrence book I have. Who is the maker? Holster is brown. TIA. [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

09-07-2002, 08:55 AM	#3
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	This is a better pic. It reads K.W.K. WaA 107 1939 I see a refrence to a R.W.K., but not the one I have. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

09-07-2002, 11:25 AM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Could that be an ampersand? (&) __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

09-08-2002, 01:14 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tom WaA 107 used by Auwaerter was for the year 1934. In 1939 it was assigned to Schnellpressenfabrik and was capitol letters K.W.K. (Costanzo, pages 373 and 374.) __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

09-10-2002, 08:19 AM	#9
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Thanks to all who helped, I guess I'll have to get a copy of Constanzo's book. What's it up to these days $200+? [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

09-07-2002, 01:38 AM	#2
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is that WaA101?

09-07-2002, 02:15 PM	#5
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Doug: I can't find a reference for Wa107. The only reference that I can find for kwk (and this is the small letter code, not caps with periods) is in Walter, German Military Letter Codes as follows ( I find the "wrongly associated" language interesting): "kwk" - Schnellpressenfabrik AG, Heildleburg, Eppelheimerstrasse 5-7. Sometimes wrongly associated with the manufacture of leatherware, this company made printing machinery. (Note KwK is the standard abbreviation for Kamphwaggenkanone or "tank gun"." Not many manufacturers used initials in caps for their maker mark, to my recollection. AKAH, CZ, E.K.S.T, DWLP come to mind.

09-08-2002, 12:56 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	WaA 107 is Auwater und Brubeck (sp?) of Stuttgart...leather goods. I have several of their holsters. Hope this helps, Tom A.

09-08-2002, 02:14 PM	#8
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Point of claification: As I understand it, a numbered waffenampt stamp was assigned to a particular officer, who may have had other personel assisting him. It was the responsibility that officer to inspect and approve a particular item for acceptance by the military. If the item was up to spec it was stamped with the waffenampt. In the case of holsters, an inspector might be assigned to inspect several holster manufacturers whose factories were located in a designated area. All holsters inspected by that officer would bear the same waffenamt #. If the officer was tranfered to a different area, his stamp went with him. Manufacturers, on the other hand, were assigned lettered codes, e.g., bml. Plumb forgot about this data being included in Constanzo. Interesting to note the conflicting opinions held by Walther and Constanzo regarding the type of business conducted by Schnellpressenfabrik AG. Tom A, are any of your Wa 107 stamped holsters stamped with the maker's letter code? As indicated in Constanzo, officer 107, in addition to K.W.K and Auwaerter was also responsible for inspecting Hans Romer.

09-10-2002, 08:16 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Just took a look at the two A&B holsters I have and both are of the K-date type; too early for the manufactory codes...they both have WaA 107 codes, however. I will look for additional info...I am certain that somewhere I have the name of this inspector. Tom A.

09-10-2002, 08:35 PM	#11
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Found a Costanzo at Abe Books for $250.00, not too bad as I have seen them go for as much as $425.00. As far as I know all copies are signed, and none have a dust jacket. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

03-26-2006, 02:03 PM	#12
lsranch New User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wimberley, Texas Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I also have a K.W.K. 1939 holster inspected by WaA 107. Thanks for all the information. I'd drawn a blank on the code and inspector in all the references I have: Whittington, Still and Bender.

03-26-2006, 09:22 PM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Lewis, Welcome to the forum. Seems strange addressing a Captain by his first name. Even though it's been 33 years since I was separated. When did you retire? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-26-2006, 09:42 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Hello Lewis and welcome to the forum! This is about a 4 year old thread, although Doug is still an active member, he might not have this holster anymore! ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV