Polymer Frame Parabellum

[Sanya]

Here I read translation of the Wolf Krause`s article in russian http://www.mastergun.ru/filing/view/189
about new model of Parabellum.

It produced by Alfons-Peter Rill and showed on IWA-2000
It has a polymer frame and trigger system like GLOCK,
18 rounds magazine (the reason to changing of grip angle)
titanium reciver and many other interesting parts.
I want to know more about this gun. Recomend for me any more, please.

[John Sabato]

sanya,

This is the first that I have heard of this polymer version of a Luger and I would suspect that it is the first time most of the membership has heard of it.

Any additional information and photographs that you may obtain about this gun would be welcomed to be posted here.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Fascinating concept. No, I have not heard of it. I suspect someone has too much time on their hands. I would love to see one or an article about them. Jerry Burney

[John Sabato]

I would think that the powerful "pounding" that the toggle ramps would receive during the firing cycle would be too destructive for this gun to last very long. I would really love to have to chance to examine one... or at least read an evaluation of one from a reliable source.

Is there anyone among us that can translate the Russian website cited by Sanya in the first posting above... I would love to know what it says.

AN UPDATE: I found that if you go to the Babelfish language translator at this URL:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

and change the translation to be "Russian to English" and insert the URL provided by Sanya above into the space provided for it, you can get as reasonable and English translation of virutally the entire webpage article as you could expect to be made by a computer on the Polymer Parabellum. I would have cut and pasted the entire translation here, but I believe that this would be a massive copyright violation so just try what I have suggested and read it for yourself... Very Interesting!

Here are some of the "fundamental characteristics" of the Polymer Parabellum as mentioned in the article.

Developer: Alphonse- Peter rill', Grossberlinkhofen, Germany

Type of the Mechanism semiautomatic pistol with togglelock

The trigger mechanism has a 2800 gram trigger pull.

Caliber 9 mm "Luger"

Magazine capacity, double row staggered 18 rounds

Length of Barrel: 100mm

Weight of pistol, 980g

Cost 1500 Deutschmarks (according to the preliminary estimate)

[byf42]

Glocks are molded with the tenifer heat treated metal in the reciever. Slide rails, stress points etc. As a factory glock armorer its obviously a wonderful design to reduce weight, and less moving parts. However, as a luger owner I cannot see how the receiver could take the punishment of the toggle action. Seems like way too much flexing would go on in the upper part of the receiver. Would have to see one though.
Mike

[Hugh]

I have found that in most instances the translation done at this website: www.t-mail.com is much better than the ones done by babelfish.

You can enter the web address of a complete page and have it translated. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

[Ron Wood]

I will wait to see if any further information surfaces on this interesting hybrid, but my first impression is that it is a photographic montage of someone's idea that is yet, if ever, to be built.

[Herb]

Hugh, I can't connect to that link, I get a timed out response, is it working for anyone else?

[John Sabato]

I tend to agree with Ron here... a close inspection of the photograph included with the article shows NO method of securing the sideplate and NO method of securing the upper assembly in the grip frame...

At high magnification, most of the photo gets very pixelated but the front edge of the grip frame remains a sharp line... caused me to suspect the origin of image and when I came back to report, Ron Wood had beaten me to the speculation There is also mention in the article that this gun was to be READY in 2001. Somehow I don't think it made it... but will try not to be too skeptical until we get some feedback from Tacfoley on his response from DWJ...

another P.S.

The actual wording in the article about production is:

"to 1.04.2001 we will be in large quantities on the market. The word of honor!"

Now I know this is a Russian website, but if you check the date ( in overseas format ) it is actually 4/1/2001 the way we would write it... which is April Fools day here...

The plot thickens!

[John Sabato]

I think that English is a fine language Tac! Let's see what you can do with it...

[Roadkill]

The cost is in Deutschmarks. How long has the Euro been in use?

http://www.ecb.int/key/sp990128.htm

rk

[Johnny C. Kitchens]

Yep, I believe it is an April Fools joke. If the gun has been fired then I would believe a better picture should exist. The last thing to use as a buffer would be titanium. Why is the Luger sideplate is still in use when the trigger has been completely reworked. One common complaint of the Luger, is the sights, and yet they appear to be the originals. I've wondered many times how a Luger might look if given a modern workover. Looks like someone else had the same thoughts, only they carried the fantasy further...

[Doug G.]

The frame is from the Steyr M-9 M-40 series pistols.

[John Sabato]

...and a good spoof it was Tac!

I had a good laugh over it, but it sure didn't take the group long to catch this goof...

Sorry Doug G... look again, the Steyr M-9 while similar is not the basis for the imaginary grip frame because the serations on the front strap go all the way to the trigger guard, and the rear shape of the grip and the thumb swell are not the same... see below.



Anyone figure out what gun frame was used in this photo collage of the "polymer" Luger?

[Hugh]

Herb,

I don't know what your problem is, I just tried it and it popped right up.

[John Sabato]

worked for me too Herb!