Navy Take-Down Tool...(?)

Pete Ebbink · 06-29-2003, 12:28 AM

Now on e-Bay for an opening bid of $ 250.00...:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13976

Does this look right to anyone...?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Luke · 06-29-2003, 05:20 PM

I sure can't add a thing except that the "M" and anchor appear to be awfully crisp for an 80 year old tool. But . . . . I hope some of the Navy experts will offer an opinion. Are you there, Tom?

Navy · 07-03-2003, 03:50 PM

All,
That tool looks ok to me except that it is about $50 too high.
Tom A.

Lugerdoc · 07-04-2003, 08:46 AM

Most C/M proofed mag loading tools that I've seen have been phoney, since these dies have been available for many years. TH

Ron Wood · 07-04-2003, 11:12 AM

Weren't Weimar Navy markings pantographed? I seem to recall that Weimar and early Nazi Navy Lugers were so marked, and therefore easily subject to faking. If the loading tools were also pantographed, a die struck tool marking would be a "double fake".

Heinz · 07-04-2003, 04:09 PM

Ron, I cannot speak to Weimar Navy Luger markings. But, in my list of P06 safety reworks some of the 3 of 22 P06s in the database have the new"Gesichert" pantographed. All have the Capital G followed by lower case letters. Two are nicely milled or filled and milled, one appears to have been welded and rather roughly scraped. This would suggest to me that the Navy had access to pantograph equipment. I can't tell if it was Keil or Wilhelmshaven or both ( or shipboard) doing this marking.

On the other hand, setting a pantograph up for something as simple as a loading tool might seem like an overkill when it would be so easy to stamp. But, again, it was the Weimar navy with time on their hands and mechanics to train.

06-29-2003, 12:28 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy Take-Down Tool...(?) Now on e-Bay for an opening bid of $ 250.00...: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13976 Does this look right to anyone...? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-29-2003, 05:20 PM	#2
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	I sure can't add a thing except that the "M" and anchor appear to be awfully crisp for an 80 year old tool. But . . . . I hope some of the Navy experts will offer an opinion. Are you there, Tom? __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

07-04-2003, 08:46 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Most C/M proofed mag loading tools that I've seen have been phoney, since these dies have been available for many years. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-04-2003, 11:12 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Weren't Weimar Navy markings pantographed? I seem to recall that Weimar and early Nazi Navy Lugers were so marked, and therefore easily subject to faking. If the loading tools were also pantographed, a die struck tool marking would be a "double fake". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-03-2003, 03:50 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, That tool looks ok to me except that it is about $50 too high. Tom A.

07-04-2003, 04:09 PM	#6
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Ron, I cannot speak to Weimar Navy Luger markings. But, in my list of P06 safety reworks some of the 3 of 22 P06s in the database have the new"Gesichert" pantographed. All have the Capital G followed by lower case letters. Two are nicely milled or filled and milled, one appears to have been welded and rather roughly scraped. This would suggest to me that the Navy had access to pantograph equipment. I can't tell if it was Keil or Wilhelmshaven or both ( or shipboard) doing this marking. On the other hand, setting a pantograph up for something as simple as a loading tool might seem like an overkill when it would be so easy to stamp. But, again, it was the Weimar navy with time on their hands and mechanics to train.