NEED HELP!!!

Sgt. Gravy · 12-30-2002, 12:24 AM

My Wife's late Grandfather brought a Luger back to the states after WWII, which is currently with my Wife's Uncle. I might possibly purchase, but need help to identify...production date?, and how much it's worth?

95% bluing
very minor pitting
Toggle inscription- DWM logo
Chamber inscription- "N" with crown above
No grip safety
3 3/4"- 4" barrel...not sure??
Checkered walnut grips- excellent condition
"safe" on forward position covering "Gesichert"
serial number 73xxx
all small parts match and carry last 2 digits
1 correct magazine with matching number
flap holster in excellent condition

"M.Hubsch" ornately engraved on backstrap-German owner?

Also...what is the little "pocket" for on the inside flap of the holster?

I appreciate any info that could be passed on to a possible future Luger owner. Thank You.

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2002, 12:44 AM

I can answer a few questions off the top of my head, and I am sure others will chime in.

"what is the little "pocket" for on the inside flap of the holster?" This held a loading tool for the magazine, if you load a box or two of ammo, your thumb gets pretty beat up.

DWM is the manufacturer

To figure out the barrel length, ensure the gun is empty, then stick a pencil down the bore, the length of the bore can be determined in that way.

serial number 73xxx Usually signifies a commerical made gun, someone told you it was a commerical, because I see you listed it here and in another area?

Has it been taken apart, all matching must include many different small parts also.

Take a look at Tech and General Info on your left, provided you came into www.lugerforum.com and you can see a lot of information.

Are there other markings, such as proofs on the right or left side?

Can you scan it in or provide digital pictures?

Ron Wood · 12-30-2002, 12:50 AM

The Luger is a 1914 Commercial, very near the end of "prewar" commercial production. The N with the crown above should be of the "lazy" type, lying on its side rather than vertical.

The little pocket in the holster is for the "skatekey" loading tool.

The safe is actually "on" (rendered safe) when the GESICHERT is exposed.

Since this is a commercial gun, the "M.Hubsch" is probably the name of the former German owner.

It would be very much appreciated if you could post pictures of the gun and holster. It will be interesting to see if the holster is commercial also.

Sgt. Gravy · 01-01-2003, 11:46 PM

Thanks for the info. Would it be possible for anyone to give me an idea on how much this gun may be worth?
Thanks again.

7.92x57 · 01-02-2003, 06:00 AM

Hello, what i can say is "Hubsch" means "cute" in german, so maybe this pistol is the present of some girl to her very cherished "Mister Cute"...
I let the Luger specialists answer for the more technical questions.
But you should buy it. In France, you put it on sale for 1200$, it's sold in 5 minutes.

12-30-2002, 12:24 AM	#1
Sgt. Gravy New User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	NEED HELP!!! My Wife's late Grandfather brought a Luger back to the states after WWII, which is currently with my Wife's Uncle. I might possibly purchase, but need help to identify...production date?, and how much it's worth? 95% bluing very minor pitting Toggle inscription- DWM logo Chamber inscription- "N" with crown above No grip safety 3 3/4"- 4" barrel...not sure?? Checkered walnut grips- excellent condition "safe" on forward position covering "Gesichert" serial number 73xxx all small parts match and carry last 2 digits 1 correct magazine with matching number flap holster in excellent condition "M.Hubsch" ornately engraved on backstrap-German owner? Also...what is the little "pocket" for on the inside flap of the holster? I appreciate any info that could be passed on to a possible future Luger owner. Thank You. __________________ WILSON CQB VOLQUARTSEN 22/45 "Your ID is in the name of John Clark; should be easy to remember." "Without Remorse" 1993

12-30-2002, 12:44 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I can answer a few questions off the top of my head, and I am sure others will chime in. "what is the little "pocket" for on the inside flap of the holster?" This held a loading tool for the magazine, if you load a box or two of ammo, your thumb gets pretty beat up. DWM is the manufacturer To figure out the barrel length, ensure the gun is empty, then stick a pencil down the bore, the length of the bore can be determined in that way. serial number 73xxx Usually signifies a commerical made gun, someone told you it was a commerical, because I see you listed it here and in another area? Has it been taken apart, all matching must include many different small parts also. Take a look at Tech and General Info on your left, provided you came into www.lugerforum.com and you can see a lot of information. Are there other markings, such as proofs on the right or left side? Can you scan it in or provide digital pictures? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-30-2002, 12:50 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	The Luger is a 1914 Commercial, very near the end of "prewar" commercial production. The N with the crown above should be of the "lazy" type, lying on its side rather than vertical. The little pocket in the holster is for the "skatekey" loading tool. The safe is actually "on" (rendered safe) when the GESICHERT is exposed. Since this is a commercial gun, the "M.Hubsch" is probably the name of the former German owner. It would be very much appreciated if you could post pictures of the gun and holster. It will be interesting to see if the holster is commercial also. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-01-2003, 11:46 PM	#4
Sgt. Gravy New User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info. Would it be possible for anyone to give me an idea on how much this gun may be worth? Thanks again. __________________ WILSON CQB VOLQUARTSEN 22/45 "Your ID is in the name of John Clark; should be easy to remember." "Without Remorse" 1993

01-02-2003, 06:00 AM	#5
7.92x57 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: France Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, what i can say is "Hubsch" means "cute" in german, so maybe this pistol is the present of some girl to her very cherished "Mister Cute"... I let the Luger specialists answer for the more technical questions. But you should buy it. In France, you put it on sale for 1200$, it's sold in 5 minutes.