Help me identify and put a value on this Luger

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 10:05 AM

I have recencly acquired several pieces of German WWII Militaria passed down to me by my Grandfather. As I have no interest in such items it is my intention to determine their value, sell them, and use the money to buy something special for my fishing boat. I know my Grandfather would have liked that idea as we were fishing buddies in my youth. I have been able to research the Dagger, Bayonet, Sword, and Canteen. But have been running into roadblocks with the Luger pistol. I was offered $200 for it at the local gun shop, but didn't sell feeling I looked as ignorant as I felt and was being taken to the cleaners by the guy. So with the help from experts like yourselves I hope to identify and put a value on this pistol. Just tell me what information you need, and how to get pictures on here for you to see, and I will be more then happy to oblige. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Hope I did the photos right and you can actually see them.

Jay

Ron Smith · 10-12-2004, 10:31 AM

Hi Jay, You could add a 0 to what was offered and still not be close. Post a clear close up of the proof marks on the right side of the receiver. And the marks on the magazine bottoms. Also any stampings on the holster.
You have an extremely rare Luger. Only 60 reported according to Jan Still's Third Reichs Lugers. I'm not up on these variations, but someone will come in soon who is.

Ron

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 10:40 AM

The magazines are the ammo clips right? NOW which part is the receiver?

Jay

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2004, 10:41 AM

$200.

Hell, I will send you $1000, sight unseen...

The "extra" magazine is worth anywhere from $50to$150, the tool another $40-$125, the holster is worth $100-$150, and if the magazines are matching to the gun, i.e. same numbers as the gun, the value goes up by 50%, 25% with one matching magazine.

Ed

Ron Smith · 10-12-2004, 10:46 AM

Jay Yes, the mags are the ammo clips. The small stampings Eagles etc. on the upper right side of the pistol, just behind where the barrel screws in. Get pictures (clear close-ups) of all and any stamped letters ,numbers, markings of any kind.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2004, 10:46 AM

Here is the receiver, also, I sent you a PM message; are the magazines, i.e. clips, what numbers are on the base?

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 10:47 AM

Well thanks for Ron I might want to be patient and see what the gun is actually worth before making any hasty selling decisions. Thanks though for your offer. You beat the gun shop guy hands down.

Jay

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 10:52 AM

Ron,

Seems I've already used up my allotted 8 pictures. Is there a way to add more? If not which ones would you suggest losing in order to put in pictures of the clip bottoms and receiver showing the symbol that looks like a bird with an LA in the middle?

Jay

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2004, 10:55 AM

You can add eight pictures to each reply, so just add some more to the other replies you have made or make another one.

Ed

Ron Smith · 10-12-2004, 10:57 AM

Jay, Click "post reply" and post them there. The Eagle/LA is the clincher. Luftwaffe( Air Force) stamp.

Ron

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 11:14 AM

I'm not the best photographer in the world, so cut me some slack guys. Here are pictures of the receiver and bottoms of the magazines. In looking more closely at the barrel, on the bottom right where it meets the body of the gun it is stamped S/42

Ron Smith · 10-12-2004, 11:21 AM

Jay, Outstanding!
Ron

Pete Ebbink · 10-12-2004, 11:27 AM

Jay,

Yours looks to be a "KÃ?Â¼" Luger.

You can read some more interesting info. about KÃ?Â¼ Lugers in the 2nd. discussion thread in this "Militarty P-08" section...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Vlim · 10-12-2004, 11:35 AM

I agree with Pete that it's a very interesting pistol.

Some background info on where your Grandfather acquired it would be really helpfull.

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 11:53 AM

My Grandfather was not in the military during WWII. Nobody in the family ever remembers seeing this stuff until his death when it was brought from his attic storage. I'm afraid I am not able to provide any useful information with regard to the origin of the Luger or how it entered the country. Be Pop was an excellent poker player, and my guess is he won this stuff in a poker game. I know he won a car, a horse, some jewelry and other assorted oddities with his poker skills over the years.

John Sabato · 10-12-2004, 12:29 PM

Hmmmm... will this revelation on the card-table origin of this KÃ?Â¼-Luger spawn a new theory on what this class of Lugers is all about? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Fishing Guy · 10-12-2004, 01:32 PM

Not sure if that was meant as an insult, or a joke I don't understand not being in the "Luger Collecting" community. In either case I won't take any offense.

Jay

John Sabato · 10-12-2004, 02:56 PM

Jay, if you look at the Message thread that Pete pointed out to you... it should be clear that my last post was a joke... There are LOTS of theories about the origin and use of KÃ?Â¼ stamped Lugers, but there has been no documented substantiation of any of these theories...

BTW, I am not a Luger 'collector' either, I am a Luger enthusiast, I treasure the two that I own, and nowadays, I collect information regarding their history and use and administer this forum website for the "Luger Collecting" community...

Once again, welcome to the forum.

minigun · 10-13-2004, 03:10 AM

O.M.G.!!!!!!

Fishing Guy · 10-13-2004, 02:02 PM

I have received an offer of $2,500 for the Luger, holster, tool, and 2 magazines. It's the best offer I've had to date. I will most likely sell to this buyer next week. Does this seem like a price that's fair for both of us? Please help as I respect your knowledge with regard to Lugers and their market value.

Jay

10-12-2004, 10:05 AM	#1
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help me identify and put a value on this Luger I have recencly acquired several pieces of German WWII Militaria passed down to me by my Grandfather. As I have no interest in such items it is my intention to determine their value, sell them, and use the money to buy something special for my fishing boat. I know my Grandfather would have liked that idea as we were fishing buddies in my youth. I have been able to research the Dagger, Bayonet, Sword, and Canteen. But have been running into roadblocks with the Luger pistol. I was offered $200 for it at the local gun shop, but didn't sell feeling I looked as ignorant as I felt and was being taken to the cleaners by the guy. So with the help from experts like yourselves I hope to identify and put a value on this pistol. Just tell me what information you need, and how to get pictures on here for you to see, and I will be more then happy to oblige. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Hope I did the photos right and you can actually see them. Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 10:31 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Jay, You could add a 0 to what was offered and still not be close. Post a clear close up of the proof marks on the right side of the receiver. And the marks on the magazine bottoms. Also any stampings on the holster. You have an extremely rare Luger. Only 60 reported according to Jan Still's Third Reichs Lugers. I'm not up on these variations, but someone will come in soon who is. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-12-2004, 10:40 AM	#3
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The magazines are the ammo clips right? NOW which part is the receiver? Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 10:41 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	$200. Hell, I will send you $1000, sight unseen... The "extra" magazine is worth anywhere from $50to$150, the tool another $40-$125, the holster is worth $100-$150, and if the magazines are matching to the gun, i.e. same numbers as the gun, the value goes up by 50%, 25% with one matching magazine. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-12-2004, 10:46 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jay Yes, the mags are the ammo clips. The small stampings Eagles etc. on the upper right side of the pistol, just behind where the barrel screws in. Get pictures (clear close-ups) of all and any stamped letters ,numbers, markings of any kind. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-12-2004, 10:47 AM	#7
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well thanks for Ron I might want to be patient and see what the gun is actually worth before making any hasty selling decisions. Thanks though for your offer. You beat the gun shop guy hands down. Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 10:52 AM	#8
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, Seems I've already used up my allotted 8 pictures. Is there a way to add more? If not which ones would you suggest losing in order to put in pictures of the clip bottoms and receiver showing the symbol that looks like a bird with an LA in the middle? Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 10:55 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	You can add eight pictures to each reply, so just add some more to the other replies you have made or make another one. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-12-2004, 10:57 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jay, Click "post reply" and post them there. The Eagle/LA is the clincher. Luftwaffe( Air Force) stamp. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-12-2004, 11:14 AM	#11
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not the best photographer in the world, so cut me some slack guys. Here are pictures of the receiver and bottoms of the magazines. In looking more closely at the barrel, on the bottom right where it meets the body of the gun it is stamped S/42 __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 11:21 AM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jay, Outstanding! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-12-2004, 11:27 AM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Jay, Yours looks to be a "KÃ?Â¼" Luger. You can read some more interesting info. about KÃ?Â¼ Lugers in the 2nd. discussion thread in this "Militarty P-08" section... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-12-2004, 11:35 AM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	I agree with Pete that it's a very interesting pistol. Some background info on where your Grandfather acquired it would be really helpfull.

10-12-2004, 11:53 AM	#15
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My Grandfather was not in the military during WWII. Nobody in the family ever remembers seeing this stuff until his death when it was brought from his attic storage. I'm afraid I am not able to provide any useful information with regard to the origin of the Luger or how it entered the country. Be Pop was an excellent poker player, and my guess is he won this stuff in a poker game. I know he won a car, a horse, some jewelry and other assorted oddities with his poker skills over the years. __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 12:29 PM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hmmmm... will this revelation on the card-table origin of this KÃ?Â¼-Luger spawn a new theory on what this class of Lugers is all about? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-12-2004, 01:32 PM	#17
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not sure if that was meant as an insult, or a joke I don't understand not being in the "Luger Collecting" community. In either case I won't take any offense. Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-12-2004, 02:56 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jay, if you look at the Message thread that Pete pointed out to you... it should be clear that my last post was a joke... There are LOTS of theories about the origin and use of KÃ?Â¼ stamped Lugers, but there has been no documented substantiation of any of these theories... BTW, I am not a Luger 'collector' either, I am a Luger enthusiast, I treasure the two that I own, and nowadays, I collect information regarding their history and use and administer this forum website for the "Luger Collecting" community... Once again, welcome to the forum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-13-2004, 03:10 AM	#19
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	O.M.G.!!!!!!

10-13-2004, 02:02 PM	#20
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have received an offer of $2,500 for the Luger, holster, tool, and 2 magazines. It's the best offer I've had to date. I will most likely sell to this buyer next week. Does this seem like a price that's fair for both of us? Please help as I respect your knowledge with regard to Lugers and their market value. Jay __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina