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07-07-2003, 10:44 PM | #1 |
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1906 M2 Portuguese
I was doing a quick study on Portuguese 1906 M2's and I came up with some sort of confict in authors that I trust. In John Walter's book, pg 213, there is supposed to be 'SEGURANCA' where 'GESICHERT' would normally be on a Luger. But in 'Lugers at Random' pg 134-135, its stated that this spot is supposed to be polished. Indeed, all the M2's that I have seen are polished. Anybody know the story here?
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07-07-2003, 11:01 PM | #2 |
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The 1906 M2 Royal Army Lugers made by DWM have the polished safety area. Approximately 5000 of the M2 Lugers were authorized for purchase shortly after Manuel II assumed the throne after his father was assassinated. The 1935 GNR(Guardia Nationale Republicana - republican national guard after Portugal became a republic) is a 1906 pattern Luger with grip safety made by Mauser, and has the Mauser banner toggle as well as the GNR monogram over the chamber. This Luger has the SEGURANCA marking in the safety area. Only 564 GNR Lugers were delivered according to Portuguese records.
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07-08-2003, 09:48 AM | #3 |
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Great information Ron! and seconded by Tom Heller... but would you be so kind as to reference your data for the neophyte Luger afficionados so they know where it came from... (and this oldtimer too )
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References:
1. Tom Heller: Luger Forum ditto, 8 July 2003 (see above) 2. Ron Wood: Luger Forum 7 July 2003 (see above) 3. Walter, John: â??The Luger Bookâ? (1951), pg 231. This reference is WRONG, and it is this erroneous information about the M2 safety marking that started this thread. It is interesting to note that the Portuguese Luger was so little known at this time that Harry Jones in his â??Luger Variationsâ? (1957) did not have pictures of any Portuguese Luger, and in the section â??Lugers Not Shown In The Catalogâ? lists â??1909 PORTUGUESE (also 1934) with SEGURACA [sic] by thumb leverâ? and â??PORTUGUESE: Reportedly with GNR over the chamberâ?. Even by the 4th printing of the book in 1975, this information had not been updated. 4. Kenyon, Charles: â??Lugers at Randomâ? (1969), pgs 134-135 (M2), pgs 254-255 (GNR) 5. Walter, John: â??Lugerâ? (1977), pg 182 6. Bender, Eugene: â??Luger Holsters and Accessories of the 20th Centuryâ? (1992), pgs 434-435 7. Walter, John: â??The Luger Storyâ? (1997), pg 124 (M2), pg 210 (GNR) I am sure there are some other references, but this reading list should get you started.
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My M2 Portugese Luger, serial number 2088, has no safety marking and a bright oblong spot in the lower position that is covered by the safety lever when ready to fire.
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Doubs,
Exactly as it should be. Good gun.
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I made an offer for two consecutive numbered M2's on Auction Arms that was accepted. The safety issue had me concerned. I can rest in peace now. Thanks to everyone. I didn't pay the asking price either. Big Norm |
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Big Norm,
Fine guns, I think you made a very good deal...congratulations! Consecutive numbers of any model are a rarity, and to have two that are that are in very nice condition is especially difficult.
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Thanks Ron,
its really a struggle to keep up with you, Murray, Doug and some other big shooters on this forum. CNBC is going to be here tomorrow (I hope with Maria Burrutomo) and some guy named Kent from the History channel is going to be here Thursday (I hope this is not Superman in disguise). <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> Seriously, the mags are supposed the be unmarked (no circled triangle). Circled triangle under the barrel and side of frame. The bore is slightly pitted. No touch ups. Light pitting on tip of barrels. Three day inspection and the guy came down quite a bite from his $3195 price. (It must have been my great personality because he couldn't see how good looking I am over the phone ) The rest I could see from all his pictures. I have been looking for a nice M2 for long while so I can't wait to get these Lugers home for a better inspection. I really debated if I needed two of them. But My birthday is coming up soon and I said, "what the heck, do it. Happy birthday Big Norm!". <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" /> Big Norm |
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Happy birthday Big Norm indeed!
You really did quite well because I didn't think $3195 was too far off the mark! So when is your birthday?...mine is the 14th. By the way I have consecutive 1906 Brazilians (going to sell one of them soon..I have decided I really don't need two because they are not as close in condition as your M2s) and consecutive 1900 US Test Trial Eagles (I'm not breaking them up! They are pretty nice and real close in condition). As for giving yourself birthday presents, I have been doing it for years. Best wishes.
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my birthday is July 31st. I never married so I only get presents from myself. I started treating myself about five years ago with a very nice chamber dated 1914 DWM artillery with a matching mag from Shattuck. I may have paid too much, but what the heck, I deserve it. Now if I can only find THE stock and a 1914 holster rig for it. Anybody have stock number 7754? Its alright to give myself two birthday presents. H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y R O N !!! Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> |
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