Calls For Repeal Of The Second Amendment

[calibrator]

A lot of folks I know are totally unaware of current political issues. They rely on corporate media providers for 100% of their news consumption, if they even seek the knowledge at all. Despite your political persuasion, you must admit that the news today is not fair and balanced or is critical of views that support (or don't support) a certain version of the narrative.

The aftermath of this latest mass shooting is different than any of the previous ones in it's intensity and vitriol. Who can deny that the ultimate goal of a large percentage of our politicians, leading a large percentage of the population, seek the end to private ownership of any firearms in the US???

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/o...?smid=tw-share

Just as the Hunter doesn't care about calls to ban "Assault Weapons" and "High Capacity Clips", I wonder what most members of this forum think of calls to outright ban (including current possession) or include in the NFA Registry ANY semi-automatic magazine fed firearm. Do you think that collectible firearms from 100 years ago will be exempt??? Is an M1 Carbine NOT an "Assault Weapon" in the eyes of those who loosely use that term as a political weapon???

My reason for this post is to ask members here;

HOW and WHAT are you actually doing to insure that your Second Amendment Rights are NOT lost overnight, or die a "Death of a Thousand Cuts??? Do you belong to the NRA or the GOA??? Do you support, and VOTE for representatives that will protect your interests??? Do you try to inform and educate people you know about the reality of the situation from the perspective of a responsible gun owner???

Those that think an Australian-style confiscation is NOT the ultimate goal of the backers of this new Youth Movement, are not listening to the actual rhetoric of the vocal key players.

[HerrKaiser]

We have now about 2 generations who take their rights, freedoms, and liberties for granted because it has been at least 2 generations since we have had a national incident or conflict which truly posed a truly significant challenge to our way of life and serve as an American rallying call. Fiercely independent as the American culture and people are, that only left us with an internal battle amongst ourselves and far from bringing out the best of us within peace we have instead used this peace to wage an ideological cold war against ourselves and neighbors. Its sad that after we attained world supremacy we will likely be defeated from within, not conquered from abroad.

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

We have now about 2 generations who take their rights, freedoms, and liberties for granted because it has been at least 2 generations since we have had a national incident or conflict which truly posed a truly significant challenge to our way of life and serve as an American rallying call. Fiercely independent as the American culture and people are, that only left us with an internal battle amongst ourselves and far from bringing out the best of us within peace we have instead used this peace to wage an ideological cold war against ourselves and neighbors. Its sad that after we attained world supremacy we will likely be defeated from within, not conquered from abroad.

I understand what you are saying, but I would have to disagree as I lived through 9/11 and my son has gone to war in iraq and Afghanistan. during my 10 months in Iraq, I met a 15 yr soldier with 7 one-year deployments and that is not uncommon. I think Iraq and Afghanistan count as fairly major (and which have lasted longer than the Vietnam War).

Although a hell of a lot fewer Americans serve their country than should.

And saying we will be defeated is a bunch of BS, we may stumble, but we aren't close to collapsing or being defeated!

[MikeP]

Another issue is the cessation of the draft.
That was the last thing that connected folks to a sense of national or even societal obligation.

The concept of obligation or duty no longer exists in the population at large.

It's about the world revolving around the individual.

It's not only our failing educational system.
There is a great lacking in our parental structure as well.

[robert6715]

It is quite unsettling that David Hogg & his generation are the first in the USA to demonstrate & protest to have their rights reduced, although anyone who believes these kids are the ones organizing this kids movement is truly out of touch.

Very trying times, I have no doubt that the end goal is to totally abolish the 2nd amendment.

Rob

[HerrKaiser]

I kid you not, I read an opinion article today in the WP written by former SCOTUS associate justice John Paul Stevens saying exactly this (Repeal the Second Amendment) https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBKKZP0?m=en-us

Its sad that people dont realize the way the founding fathers worded the constitution was to explicitly say that the enumerated Bill of Rights was not a list of rights granted to us by the United States government, but rather are natural rights given to us via our very existence as human beings which the government has no legitimate right to infringe upon. Unfortunately since many of them also owned slaves, those who wish to take away these rights have huge amounts of ad-hominem attack ammo. None of their arguments ever address the wordings and legitmate intent of the writing of the constitution, they instead just attack the founding fathers as slave owners or try to claim that natural human rights are dependent on time somehow.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

I kid you not, I read an opinion article today in the WP written by former SCOTUS associate justice John Paul Stevens saying exactly this (Repeal the Second Amendment) https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBKKZP0?m=en-us

Its sad that people dont realize the way the founding fathers worded the constitution was to explicitly say that the enumerated Bill of Rights was not a list of rights granted to us by the United States government, but rather are natural rights given to us via our very existence as human beings which the government has no legitimate right to infringe upon. Unfortunately since many of them also owned slaves, those who wish to take away these rights have huge amounts of ad-hominem attack ammo. None of their arguments ever address the wordings and legitmate intent of the writing of the constitution, they instead just attack the founding fathers as slave owners or try to claim that natural human rights are dependent on time somehow.

Hogg and gang must not have studied the Civil War!!

Sieger

[mrerick]

Hogg and co. can protest, but the actual victims of tyranny tend to be silent.

The US congress with approval from the States has the capability of eliminating the Second Amendment. Never forget this.

We have changed our core system several times and already made mistakes doing it. A mistake in this area probably could not be survived for long. This was the fate of Weimar Germany within five years of their 1928 "gun control" legislation.

The current grabber strategy is "death by 1,000 cuts" and is being accomplished as the new standard of "intermediate scrutiny" of the constitutionality of infringing laws is applied post Heller and MacDonald. "Strict scrutiny" would require the justices to follow the actual words of the constitution and amendments, but that is not the standard being used.

Once the anti-gun minions have worn out that strategy, expect them to morph to different ones.

[calibrator]

The name David Hogg may not be known to many on this Forum.

Some here may not be aware of the NRA spokesman named Colion Noir. If you have not heard him speak, you WILL enjoy this following clip of him in action;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_Jz3-BfdQ

Look at some of the links also posted on this link for perspective.

If you want a laugh courtesy of a schoolmate of Hogg's;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSGTBQUoB4

Those States that have passed laws raising the age to legally buy a Long Gun from 18 to 21 since the shooting have had the rebound affect of causing 18-20 year olds to flock to the NRA and others with memberships and donations;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldhl2-Qqiwk

Maybe the Tide Pod Eaters generation is NOT as lost as they may seem based on the Nightly News. If you don't know what Tide Pod Eaters are, you'll have to GOOGLE that one on your own.

[Eugen]

I am so concerned that this country has lost it way and is heading in the wrong direction. The culture and moral compass is slowly disintegrating, I fear. So sad. Our parents and grand parents would never accept this status quo and what the millenials claim is "progress". We need to be strong and fight this decline.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by mrerick

Hogg and co. can protest, but the actual victims of tyranny tend to be silent.

The US congress with approval from the States has the capability of eliminating the Second Amendment. Never forget this.

We have changed our core system several times and already made mistakes doing it. A mistake in this area probably could not be survived for long. This was the fate of Weimar Germany within five years of their 1928 "gun control" legislation.

The current grabber strategy is "death by 1,000 cuts" and is being accomplished as the new standard of "intermediate scrutiny" of the constitutionality of infringing laws is applied post Heller and MacDonald. "Strict scrutiny" would require the justices to follow the actual words of the constitution and amendments, but that is not the standard being used.

Once the anti-gun minions have worn out that strategy, expect them to morph to different ones.

Hi,

You might also enjoy reading Hitler's Gun Control Law, as well as, his personal comments regarding it.

Sieger

[mrerick]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

You might also enjoy reading Hitler's Gun Control Law, as well as, his personal comments regarding it.

Sieger

I have Halbrook's book on Gun Control in the Third Reich. and am reading it now.

It's truly a cautionary tale on what we're witnessing today and the unintended consequences of short sighted actions in this area.

Everyone concerned with personal liberty and tyranny needs to read it.

I'd recommend it to the protesting young people too, but I'm not sure that reading is their forte.

[Pistol]

Originally Posted by Zorba

Half of those quotes make ZERO reference to Christianity.

Here, try this:

http://addictinginfo.com/2013/07/04/...ans-will-hate/

But half did specifically reference Christianity. They even mention Jesus. Denying that this nation was built on Judeo-Christian beliefs is well,...... revisionist history.

This is a good article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfla...rch-and-state/

[cirelaw]

I love you all although we might disagree on some matters. I feel safe that our group is always there to exchange and often debate our passion. God Bless and pass on our common interest to all! A safe place for Our Luger Family! An outlet of us all!! That is always welcomed by all~It seems so many have lost their manners~ My true love to you all! Eric

[Wilhelm]

I just keep on buying arms and ammunition. I am not a violent man and I would never raise my fist against another unless forced to. But I'll be silently waiting at Lexington when the British come a marchin'.

[lugerholsterrepair]

We have met the enemy...and he is us.

[George Anderson]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

we have met the enemy...and he is us.

pogo

[Eugen]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

We have met the enemy...and he is us.

So true, Jerry. With the USAs morale decay, we need to be more concerned about our self destruction than from foreign enemies that would harm us.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Mr. Common Sense died an the Mrs. our humanity is feeling very ill. The USA is a fragile Republic, ours to hold on to..as long as we can. The 2nd is only one of the bill of rights that makes this great country unique in all the World. To think we should let ignorant school children give away rights so many have bled and died for because a schoolchild they bullied went insane and killed some, is insane in itself and a knee jerk reaction. Personally I swore an oath to the Constitution. To defend it against all enemy's both foreign and domestic. These people could be setting us up for a 2nd revolution and civil war.

[Major Tom]

Moral decline of our society started when a few obnoxious people pushed for and acheived taking away parental rights. Taking away prayer and pledge of allegence in schools was wrong.