Are these legit Black Widow Grips???

Snoopy47 · 11-05-2015, 04:04 AM

The story is I got these with a reblued/import 1916 DWM luger. If these are legit, and the original magazine it came with it looks like I nearly got the pistol for free.

I paid $475, and I was an ignorant buyer. I just saw a shooter quality Luger under the glass and new what ever it was, if it shot then I can't lose.

I bought it from a gun shop as a consignment sale, so I don't know who the seller was. In no way was I taking advantage of anyone, and the shop employees must have been oblivious themselves as well.

John Sabato · 11-05-2015, 12:31 PM

Sorry I can't answer your questions because if you don't upload your photos directly to the Lugerforum, and instead use a commercial storage site like photobucket, the majority of the members who could possibly answer (including myself) cannot see your photos because a corporate or government firewall at their place of employment will not allow access to the public storage site.

Please use the "Go Advanced" method of posting instead of the "Post quick reply" method and it will offer you a method of uploading images directly to the Lugerforum.

John Sabato · 11-05-2015, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

John, I gave up on this. They just don't care.

I think the problem is that new folks don't take the time to read the FAQ and the sticky threads... They just don't know rather than they just don't care. I know it is frustrating when I can't see what they want me to look at.

zinfull · 11-05-2015, 01:08 PM

Looks like reproduction grips.

alanint · 11-05-2015, 01:19 PM

These are reproduction grips, not worth more than $20, or so.

ithacaartist · 11-05-2015, 01:21 PM

I think the pics are uploaded now, thanks Rick, and welcome. Originals would have two holes on the back of each scale. These holes should be tapped with the same thread as the grip screws. Also, copies are usually made by casting molds from an existing pair of originals. This process, unless a pristine pair is copied, takes along all of the wear and tear and/or distortions of the example used. Your grips have one large hole each, and although I can't tell from the pic for sure, the fronts are also suspect.

Snoopy47 · 11-05-2015, 01:27 PM

Great info. I have a shooter through and through with no special collector's value.

Thanks guys.

DonVoigt · 11-05-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I think the pics are uploaded now, thanks Rick, and welcome. Originals would have two holes on the back of each scale. These holes should be tapped with the same thread as the grip screws. Also, copies are usually made by casting molds from an existing pair of originals. This process, unless a pristine pair is copied, takes along all of the wear and tear and/or distortions of the example used. Your grips have one large hole each, and although I can't tell from the pic for sure, the fronts are also suspect.

Not to mention the "voids" clearly visible on the back of each grip,
originals are smooth, no bubbles in the plastic.

Mike B · 11-06-2015, 12:35 AM

I am quite sure that many members know this test, but heat a needle red hot and touch the underside of the grip; if smoke or smolder appears they are fake. Real one have no effect what so ever. It is like touching a cement stone with a hot needle if they are real. I have tried this on MANY occasions. Most are disappointing.

Mike

ithacaartist · 11-06-2015, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike B

I am quite sure that many members know this test, but heat a needle red hot and touch the underside of the grip; if smoke or smolder appears they are fake. Real one have no effect what so ever. It is like touching a cement stone with a hot needle if they are real. I have tried this on MANY occasions. Most are disappointing.

Mike

That's right Mike, I'd forgotten about that. Also for checking real ivory vs. plastic...Ivory smells like burning hair--if anything--and plastic melts!

Sergio Natali · 11-07-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

That's right Mike, I'd forgotten about that. Also for checking real ivory vs. plastic...Ivory smells like burning hair--if anything--and plastic melts!

David

You're right thanks, sometimes these things seem quite obvious but it's always better to remind them.

Geo99 · 11-11-2015, 02:39 AM

The hot needle also works on mother of pearl grips, vs. mother of toilet seat (plastic).
- Geo

11-05-2015, 04:04 AM	#1
Snoopy47 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are these legit Black Widow Grips??? The story is I got these with a reblued/import 1916 DWM luger. If these are legit, and the original magazine it came with it looks like I nearly got the pistol for free. I paid $475, and I was an ignorant buyer. I just saw a shooter quality Luger under the glass and new what ever it was, if it shot then I can't lose. I bought it from a gun shop as a consignment sale, so I don't know who the seller was. In no way was I taking advantage of anyone, and the shop employees must have been oblivious themselves as well.

11-05-2015, 12:31 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry I can't answer your questions because if you don't upload your photos directly to the Lugerforum, and instead use a commercial storage site like photobucket, the majority of the members who could possibly answer (including myself) cannot see your photos because a corporate or government firewall at their place of employment will not allow access to the public storage site. Please use the "Go Advanced" method of posting instead of the "Post quick reply" method and it will offer you a method of uploading images directly to the Lugerforum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-05-2015, 01:21 PM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,400 Thanks: 7,555 Thanked 2,643 Times in 1,393 Posts	I think the pics are uploaded now, thanks Rick, and welcome. Originals would have two holes on the back of each scale. These holes should be tapped with the same thread as the grip screws. Also, copies are usually made by casting molds from an existing pair of originals. This process, unless a pristine pair is copied, takes along all of the wear and tear and/or distortions of the example used. Your grips have one large hole each, and although I can't tell from the pic for sure, the fronts are also suspect. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-11-2015, 02:39 AM	#12
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 400 Thanks: 102 Thanked 127 Times in 75 Posts	The hot needle also works on mother of pearl grips, vs. mother of toilet seat (plastic). - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

11-05-2015, 01:08 PM	#4
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 244 Thanks: 5 Thanked 34 Times in 17 Posts	Looks like reproduction grips.

11-05-2015, 01:19 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	These are reproduction grips, not worth more than $20, or so.

11-05-2015, 01:27 PM	#7
Snoopy47 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great info. I have a shooter through and through with no special collector's value. Thanks guys.

11-06-2015, 12:35 AM	#9
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	I am quite sure that many members know this test, but heat a needle red hot and touch the underside of the grip; if smoke or smolder appears they are fake. Real one have no effect what so ever. It is like touching a cement stone with a hot needle if they are real. I have tried this on MANY occasions. Most are disappointing. Mike