231 in 9mm luger

robbt · 08-21-2014, 12:28 AM

hi guys , does anyone use 231 in there luger 9mm ??

ithacaartist · 08-21-2014, 09:53 AM

I don't--yet. But someone posted that along with their brass and primers, Winchester loads its "white box" ammo with 231, so I'm inclined to think it's a go. Since a hopper full of 231 was included with the SD-B Dillon press I acquired last year, I was going to give it a try when I got the press working. I think that there is decent info out there for loading 9mm with it, but best to confirm with factory suggestions/data, or the advice from an experienced re-loader--which I am not.

mrerick · 08-21-2014, 10:15 AM

I use Win 231 and it works fine in 9mm, .45acp and .38 special.

Follow the load data published by Hodgdon online.

HP-38 is the same powder.

Marc

rhuff · 08-21-2014, 03:48 PM

HP-38/231 powder has a moderately fast burn rate. You can, and should give it a try in your Luger. If, you find that it does not function 100% reliably in YOUR Luger, you might want to consider going to a slightly slower burning powder that produces a different recoil impulse than the faster burners. Powder that you might consider include, but not limited to, Unique and Power Pistol. basically, we use what works the best in OUR handguns....especially Lugers.

Peter S · 08-21-2014, 04:26 PM

I've been using the 231 for the 9mm and had good results. I load them to the low end of the powder range and they cycle my 1940 42 code without any problems.

robbt · 08-21-2014, 04:39 PM

hi peter , how many grains is low on the scale ??

sheepherder · 08-21-2014, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbt

hi peter , how many grains is low on the scale ??

Best to find out what weight bullet he's pushing before using his loads...

cliffdropover1 · 08-25-2014, 09:43 AM

I have used W231 in 9mm for many years. I load a 115 grain jacketed bullet with 4.7 grains. Max according to the Lyman manual #48 is 4.9. This load was chronographed and came out 100fps slower than factory. I have used it in my Luger and all my other 9mm's with no problems.

Copied from Rick W.--The basic concept of starting low and letting the load in your particular pistol tell you facts is still around for the guys that still have their vision and some fingers.

I have spent several weeks working up a proper loading for a .30 caliber Luger just to stay safe.
I strongly suggest you do the same.

kurusu · 08-25-2014, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cliffdropover1

I have used W231 in 9mm for many years. I load a 115 grain jacketed bullet with 4.7 grains. Max according to the Lyman manual #48 is 4.9. This load was chronographed and came out 100fps slower than factory. I have used it in my Luger and all my other 9mm's with no problems.

Copied from Rick W.--The basic concept of starting low and letting the load in your particular pistol tell you facts is still around for the guys that still have their vision and some fingers.

I have spent several weeks working up a proper loading for a .30 caliber Luger just to stay safe.
I strongly suggest you do the same.

Very good advice.

JCP · 08-26-2014, 12:19 AM

Just for information, ammo manufacturers do not load with the same powders that are available to reloaders. Reloading powder has to stay consistent from lot to lot so that the information developed for each load is consistent over many years, even decades. When manufacturers load they go for velocity and pressure consistency for each load developed. They blend many different kinds of powder to achieve their goal. They also buy powder by the ton. They use the cheapest bulk powder that they can find and use as little as possible to reach their goal. I am not involved in the loading of ammo but I do work for W-W. Hodgdon makes all of W-W powder and just sells it in W-W branded containers.

08-21-2014, 12:28 AM	#1
robbt User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	231 in 9mm luger hi guys , does anyone use 231 in there luger 9mm ??

08-21-2014, 09:53 AM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 7,043 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	I don't--yet. But someone posted that along with their brass and primers, Winchester loads its "white box" ammo with 231, so I'm inclined to think it's a go. Since a hopper full of 231 was included with the SD-B Dillon press I acquired last year, I was going to give it a try when I got the press working. I think that there is decent info out there for loading 9mm with it, but best to confirm with factory suggestions/data, or the advice from an experienced re-loader--which I am not. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-21-2014, 10:15 AM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I use Win 231 and it works fine in 9mm, .45acp and .38 special. Follow the load data published by Hodgdon online. HP-38 is the same powder. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-21-2014, 04:26 PM	#5
Peter S User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 36 Thanks: 12 Thanked 36 Times in 15 Posts	I've been using the 231 for the 9mm and had good results. I load them to the low end of the powder range and they cycle my 1940 42 code without any problems. __________________ -Peter

08-21-2014, 03:48 PM	#4
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	HP-38/231 powder has a moderately fast burn rate. You can, and should give it a try in your Luger. If, you find that it does not function 100% reliably in YOUR Luger, you might want to consider going to a slightly slower burning powder that produces a different recoil impulse than the faster burners. Powder that you might consider include, but not limited to, Unique and Power Pistol. basically, we use what works the best in OUR handguns....especially Lugers.

08-21-2014, 04:39 PM	#6
robbt User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi peter , how many grains is low on the scale ??

08-25-2014, 09:43 AM	#8
cliffdropover1 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 65 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	I have used W231 in 9mm for many years. I load a 115 grain jacketed bullet with 4.7 grains. Max according to the Lyman manual #48 is 4.9. This load was chronographed and came out 100fps slower than factory. I have used it in my Luger and all my other 9mm's with no problems. Copied from Rick W.--The basic concept of starting low and letting the load in your particular pistol tell you facts is still around for the guys that still have their vision and some fingers. I have spent several weeks working up a proper loading for a .30 caliber Luger just to stay safe. I strongly suggest you do the same.

08-26-2014, 12:19 AM	#10
JCP User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts	Just for information, ammo manufacturers do not load with the same powders that are available to reloaders. Reloading powder has to stay consistent from lot to lot so that the information developed for each load is consistent over many years, even decades. When manufacturers load they go for velocity and pressure consistency for each load developed. They blend many different kinds of powder to achieve their goal. They also buy powder by the ton. They use the cheapest bulk powder that they can find and use as little as possible to reach their goal. I am not involved in the loading of ammo but I do work for W-W. Hodgdon makes all of W-W powder and just sells it in W-W branded containers.