Need help military G date luger

shooter58 · 08-04-2014, 09:37 PM

Looking for help on value and additional information on a military G date luger I inherited. I have attached some photo's for evaluation, the straw colored components I estimating to be 80%, my estimate is due to only the trigger face and the safety lever straw color is more worn away , while the blueing I would say is about 85/90% again my estimate. All external and internal numbers match. The grips are in very nice condition I haven't removed the grips because I am concerned I may break them. There is one matching magazine I have read two matching were issued one having a + mark, the one with the luger is without the + marking. The barrel appears to have very slight pitting or mark/stain in the middle of barrel, I can't distinguish which. Over all condition is very nice, clean and tight. I have been slowly doing research when time allows. With a 6760 d-block s/n,
am I interpreting the right side receiver acceptance stamps, test proofs correctly estimating a production run of 3000 range? Could you please supply correct info if I am wrong.
This was taken from a post that was posted 8/22/11 in this Forum. For reference …3rd Reich/1933-1945 Mauser luger. army,navy,police/G date variations.
Aside from 1935 is it possible to establish a month and day of manufacture? How desirable? estamated value? Any other info you can educate me with will be extremely appreciated. I am new to this forum about a month and being a student not a contributor the wealth of knowledge provided in the forum is riveting.
Thank You,

shooter58

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2014, 10:04 PM

Welcome to the forum

A month can be guessed at, a day, no.

G dates (1935) are fairly uncommon, thus worth more than say a 1936 - plus you appear to have a matching magazine - which is not common and does raise value...

shooter58 · 08-04-2014, 10:45 PM

Thank you Ed for taking the time replying and contributing information that I will be compiling.
Thanks Again,
shooter58

DavidJayUden · 08-05-2014, 12:20 AM

This one is nicer than the average bear, what with the matching mag, good finish, etc. This is just a guess, mind you, but I suspect that it would bring in excess of $2500. But then again that is a guess, based partially on the assumption that the internals are all matching.
Nice collectable Luger that should not be fired.
dju

wlyon · 08-05-2014, 08:31 AM

Nice looking G date. Now you need to find a 1935 holster. These are rather difficult to find. I agree with David probably in excess of $2500 if all matching. Welcome to the Forum. Bill

lew1 · 08-05-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

Nice looking G date. Now you need to find a 1935 holster. These are rather difficult to find. I agree with David probably in excess of $2500 if all matching. Welcome to the Forum. Bill

The holsters are not that hard to find. I have more 1935 dated military holsters that I have G dated lugers. (I have 9 G date lugers, but I don't think any of them have a matching numbered mag.)

I always though that the 1935 dated police holsters were harder to find than the military ones.

Sergio Natali · 08-05-2014, 10:43 AM

Lou,

First of all welcome to this forum.
I'm sure you must have inherited quite a nice gun, I've not seen many "G" date but surely none so nice.
Is it all matching?

Lugerdoc · 08-05-2014, 11:22 AM

It's difficult to tell from a photo, but the markings on the right side of your receiver show more wear with new blue on top, than I would expect on a pistol with an original finish. TH

Frank · 08-05-2014, 12:16 PM

Hey shooter, nice looking G-Date! My best guess on the manufacturing date is August/September 1935. Since there are no records, it's tough to get any closer.

It turns out, your Luger is one of the more difficult to find. Only about 3400 out of a total of about 55000 are inspection marked DE/63 and S92.

Hope this helps a little.

guns3545 · 08-05-2014, 12:32 PM

Lou,

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on a fairly rare sub-variation of the G-date. The combination of inspector DE63 and S92 is rare

Your magazine appears to have a matching serial number. But can we have a picture of the entire magazine bottom as well as body.

The body should be folded plated metal. The bottom should have an inspection stamp as wll as the serial number. Could be DE63 or an earlier inspector.

John

wlyon · 08-05-2014, 03:18 PM

Charlie
Don't know where you find all the 1935 Military holsters. In 50 years of collecting I have seen 2 or 3. Have seen several 1935 Police holsters. I have not seen a military for sale in some time. Must look in the wrong places. Bill

lew1 · 08-05-2014, 06:09 PM

One here, one there - over 30 years or so. Various condition (no dogs though).

Only have a couple of 1935 police holsters - maybe because I was not looking for them?

shooter58 · 08-06-2014, 10:13 PM

Hi John,
Thank you for the welcome and taking the time replying. I have attached the requested photos of the mag. Hope the photo of the mag. bottom is clear enough to make it out it has 63 stamp.

guns3545 · 08-06-2014, 10:30 PM

Lou,

Thanks.

DE 63 it is. Looks folded and plated to me.

John

shooter58 · 08-06-2014, 10:47 PM

Frank thank you for taking the time to reply. Your info narrowing down the manufacture date did help, to bad there is no records on who the firearms were issued to that would be very interesting.

Thanks,
Lou

shooter58 · 08-06-2014, 11:16 PM

Hi Dave,
Thank you for taking the time replying and your contribution. Dave I have uploaded photos of the mag. in my reply to John. All s/n match I just have the balls to remove the grips yet.

Thanks again,
Lou

alanint · 08-07-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shooter58

Hi Dave,
Thank you for taking the time replying and your contribution. Dave I have uploaded photos of the mag. in my reply to John. All s/n match I just have the balls to remove the grips yet.

Thanks again,
Lou

The cautious way to inspect the grips for matching numbers is to remove the right grip, where there is no danger of chipping against the safety and then inspect both it and in the case of the left grip by looking through the frame.

drbuster · 08-07-2014, 12:46 PM

The conventional wisdom has been that "K" date holsters (1934) were "overproduced" leaving less need to make 1935 dated ones (of course there is no documentation of this, only observation). My experience over the years has been like Bill Lyon's, that is 1935 dated police holsters are fairly easy to come by but 1935 dated military ones are in the "hens teeth" range. I believe Jerry Burney (Lugerholsterrepair) has observed this as well.

guns3545 · 08-07-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by drbuster

The conventional wisdom has been that "K" date holsters (1934) were "overproduced" leaving less need to make 1935 dated ones (of course there is no documentation of this, only observation). My experience over the years has been like Bill Lyon's, that is 1935 dated police holsters are fairly easy to come by but 1935 dated military ones are in the "hens teeth" range. I believe Jerry Burney (Lugerholsterrepair) has observed this as well.

Doc,

Same here; 1934 and 1936 reasonable supply. 1935 Military, keep looking.

Parenthetically, an early G-date rig with papers, I got from a vet many years ago had a 1934 holster. One data point.

Also found that virtually all 1935 holsters that I've observed were Otto Sindel.

John

lew1 · 08-07-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by guns3545

Doc,

Same here; 1934 and 1936 reasonable supply. 1935 Military, keep looking.

Parenthetically, an early G-date rig with papers, I got from a vet many years ago had a 1934 holster. One data point.

Also found that virtually all 1935 holsters that I've observed were Otto Sindel.

John

Also 1935 dated military holsters were made by:

Carl Heinchen - DE/WaA142
Auwaerter & Bubech-DE/WaA101

In fact the majority of the ones I have were made by Heinchen, The second most made ones were made by Auwaerter and I have only one made by Sindel.

I would say that the Auwaerter ones were left over holsters from 1934.

08-04-2014, 10:04 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	Welcome to the forum A month can be guessed at, a day, no. G dates (1935) are fairly uncommon, thus worth more than say a 1936 - plus you appear to have a matching magazine - which is not common and does raise value... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-05-2014, 08:31 AM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,243 Thanked 2,657 Times in 988 Posts	Nice looking G date. Now you need to find a 1935 holster. These are rather difficult to find. I agree with David probably in excess of $2500 if all matching. Welcome to the Forum. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

08-05-2014, 10:43 AM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Lou, First of all welcome to this forum. I'm sure you must have inherited quite a nice gun, I've not seen many "G" date but surely none so nice. Is it all matching? __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

08-05-2014, 11:22 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	It's difficult to tell from a photo, but the markings on the right side of your receiver show more wear with new blue on top, than I would expect on a pistol with an original finish. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-05-2014, 03:18 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,243 Thanked 2,657 Times in 988 Posts	Charlie Don't know where you find all the 1935 Military holsters. In 50 years of collecting I have seen 2 or 3. Have seen several 1935 Police holsters. I have not seen a military for sale in some time. Must look in the wrong places. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

08-04-2014, 10:45 PM	#3
shooter58 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: CT Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Ed for taking the time replying and contributing information that I will be compiling. Thanks Again, shooter58

08-05-2014, 12:20 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	This one is nicer than the average bear, what with the matching mag, good finish, etc. This is just a guess, mind you, but I suspect that it would bring in excess of $2500. But then again that is a guess, based partially on the assumption that the internals are all matching. Nice collectable Luger that should not be fired. dju

08-05-2014, 12:16 PM	#9
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hey shooter, nice looking G-Date! My best guess on the manufacturing date is August/September 1935. Since there are no records, it's tough to get any closer. It turns out, your Luger is one of the more difficult to find. Only about 3400 out of a total of about 55000 are inspection marked DE/63 and S92. Hope this helps a little.

08-05-2014, 12:32 PM	#10
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 438 Thanks: 661 Thanked 493 Times in 219 Posts	Lou, Welcome to the forum and congratulations on a fairly rare sub-variation of the G-date. The combination of inspector DE63 and S92 is rare Your magazine appears to have a matching serial number. But can we have a picture of the entire magazine bottom as well as body. The body should be folded plated metal. The bottom should have an inspection stamp as wll as the serial number. Could be DE63 or an earlier inspector. John

08-05-2014, 06:09 PM	#12
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	One here, one there - over 30 years or so. Various condition (no dogs though). Only have a couple of 1935 police holsters - maybe because I was not looking for them? __________________ charlie

08-06-2014, 10:30 PM	#14
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 438 Thanks: 661 Thanked 493 Times in 219 Posts	Lou, Thanks. DE 63 it is. Looks folded and plated to me. John

08-06-2014, 10:47 PM	#15
shooter58 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: CT Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	manufacture data Frank thank you for taking the time to reply. Your info narrowing down the manufacture date did help, to bad there is no records on who the firearms were issued to that would be very interesting. Thanks, Lou

08-06-2014, 11:16 PM	#16
shooter58 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: CT Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you apprx. value Hi Dave, Thank you for taking the time replying and your contribution. Dave I have uploaded photos of the mag. in my reply to John. All s/n match I just have the balls to remove the grips yet. Thanks again, Lou

08-07-2014, 12:46 PM	#18
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The conventional wisdom has been that "K" date holsters (1934) were "overproduced" leaving less need to make 1935 dated ones (of course there is no documentation of this, only observation). My experience over the years has been like Bill Lyon's, that is 1935 dated police holsters are fairly easy to come by but 1935 dated military ones are in the "hens teeth" range. I believe Jerry Burney (Lugerholsterrepair) has observed this as well.