1918/1920 Erfurt "Dresden Schupo"

wdpian · 09-21-2013, 09:16 AM

Frame is 758 "C"
Crown/P on the right side
SPD Police
Prussian eagle on the front of the trigger guard
Arsenal Proof

Upper is 5997 and barrel is 5997 8.82
Arsenal proof and military proof on toggle
There is an eagle(Prussian?) on the Chamber and the Barrel.
Crown/RC
Crown/P
and two others I cant make out

Erfurt Double stamped.
1918 and 1920 closer to the barrel.

No Stock lug
No Sear safety

Came as a rig
Leather holster is dated 1936 WaA142 (Gebr. Klinge Manufactured in Dresden)
And the gun is marked Dresden Schupo

Couldnt pass it up

This one I'm going to shoot, the other two...are gonna sit in the safe

Tony Min · 09-21-2013, 10:44 AM

Is that an artillery notch?

ithacaartist · 09-21-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Min

Is that an artillery notch?

Yes.

wdpian · 09-21-2013, 10:46 AM

I don't know too much about Lugers, Ive been buying and learning, and so far been getting killer deals. But my luck may run out soon enough if I dont start studying.

Hoping someone chimes in with some knowledge about this one.

Tony Min · 09-21-2013, 10:50 AM

Your luck isn't running out with deals like that. Looks like a fine shooter and the mag and holster are worth quite a bit too.

wlyon · 09-21-2013, 01:13 PM

Artillery notch perfectly normal for a 1918 Erfurt. Bill

mystical_tutor · 09-22-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

Artillery notch perfectly normal for a 1918 Erfurt. Bill

Bill; At some time in the past I have been told that all Erfurts had Artillery notches. I hate to ever use the word "all" in this hobby but is that a true or near true statement?

Gary

wdpian · 09-22-2013, 09:39 AM

Now, considering it has matching arsenal/refurb on the frame and upper.
Does this mean when it was transferred for PD use it was put together? Or is this just a simple mismatch/shooter?

Sergio Natali · 09-22-2013, 01:22 PM

Not in all ERFURT at all, I've got an ERFURT a double date like yours, (1918/1920) and has got the artillery notch too, I assume it's because ERFURT in 1915 devoted all its efforts in the production of artillery guns, so it's quite common to find guns dated after 1915 still with the artillery frame notch.

mystical_tutor · 09-23-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Not in all ERFURT at all, I've got an ERFURT a double date like yours, (1918/1920) and has got the artillery notch too, I assume it's because ERFURT in 1915 devoted all its efforts in the production of artillery guns, so it's quite common to find guns dated after 1915 still with the artillery frame notch.

I think I must be confused then. I thought 1914 was the only year that ERFURT made artillery Lugers (thats what mine is) and don't recall seeing any other chamber date on their artilleries. I have had/seen several 4" ERFURTs with the notched frame.
Just wondering.

Gary

mystical_tutor · 09-23-2013, 10:40 AM

This is really really interesting to me as it has two parallels to a piece of mine.

DWM P.08 frame with no lug and added hold open device
Erfurt double date matching top.

But, it has an unnumbered barrel (Simpson proofed)
sear safety
no unit marks
matching al bottom mag
trigger looks like Mauser (blued)
TD lever strawed but mag release, safety and ejector blued.
non conventional numbering.

Sam Costanzo was of the opinion that it is a post-war gunsmith special--which is probably correct.

Not sure how many post-war gunsmiths would have gone to the trouble of adding a sear safety, but I think the probability of that is higher than the probability of it being a police rewook from the 20-30s.

When I get back from the mediclal clinic today I'll post some pictures.

http://www.worldoflugers.com/index.htm

Gary

wlyon · 09-23-2013, 11:15 AM

Erfurt made artilleries only in 1914. The notch is found on late 1916 Erfurts and almost all 1917-1918 's. This from Jan Stills " Central Power Pistols". Bill

09-21-2013, 09:16 AM	#1
wdpian User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	1918/1920 Erfurt "Dresden Schupo" Frame is 758 "C" Crown/P on the right side SPD Police Prussian eagle on the front of the trigger guard Arsenal Proof Upper is 5997 and barrel is 5997 8.82 Arsenal proof and military proof on toggle There is an eagle(Prussian?) on the Chamber and the Barrel. Crown/RC Crown/P and two others I cant make out Erfurt Double stamped. 1918 and 1920 closer to the barrel. No Stock lug No Sear safety Came as a rig Leather holster is dated 1936 WaA142 (Gebr. Klinge Manufactured in Dresden) And the gun is marked Dresden Schupo Couldnt pass it up This one I'm going to shoot, the other two...are gonna sit in the safe Last edited by wdpian; 04-11-2014 at 06:11 PM.

09-21-2013, 01:13 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	Artillery notch perfectly normal for a 1918 Erfurt. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-22-2013, 09:39 AM	#8
wdpian User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Now, considering it has matching arsenal/refurb on the frame and upper. Does this mean when it was transferred for PD use it was put together? Or is this just a simple mismatch/shooter? Last edited by wdpian; 09-22-2013 at 10:38 AM.

09-22-2013, 01:22 PM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Not in all ERFURT at all, I've got an ERFURT a double date like yours, (1918/1920) and has got the artillery notch too, I assume it's because ERFURT in 1915 devoted all its efforts in the production of artillery guns, so it's quite common to find guns dated after 1915 still with the artillery frame notch. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-23-2013, 10:40 AM	#11
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	This is really really interesting to me as it has two parallels to a piece of mine. DWM P.08 frame with no lug and added hold open device Erfurt double date matching top. But, it has an unnumbered barrel (Simpson proofed) sear safety no unit marks matching al bottom mag trigger looks like Mauser (blued) TD lever strawed but mag release, safety and ejector blued. non conventional numbering. Sam Costanzo was of the opinion that it is a post-war gunsmith special--which is probably correct. Not sure how many post-war gunsmiths would have gone to the trouble of adding a sear safety, but I think the probability of that is higher than the probability of it being a police rewook from the 20-30s. When I get back from the mediclal clinic today I'll post some pictures. http://www.worldoflugers.com/index.htm Gary Last edited by mystical_tutor; 09-27-2013 at 05:49 PM. Reason: Add URL

09-21-2013, 10:44 AM	#2
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Is that an artillery notch?

09-21-2013, 10:46 AM	#4
wdpian User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I don't know too much about Lugers, Ive been buying and learning, and so far been getting killer deals. But my luck may run out soon enough if I dont start studying. Hoping someone chimes in with some knowledge about this one.

09-21-2013, 10:50 AM	#5
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Your luck isn't running out with deals like that. Looks like a fine shooter and the mag and holster are worth quite a bit too.

09-23-2013, 11:15 AM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	Erfurt made artilleries only in 1914. The notch is found on late 1916 Erfurts and almost all 1917-1918 's. This from Jan Stills " Central Power Pistols". Bill __________________ Bill Lyon