1906 Navy

kd7yjc · 06-02-2012, 10:52 AM

I am wondering if someone can help me out. I just inherited my Grandpa's 1906 Navy Luger that he brought back from the war. I have 2 questions about it. First is obviously, how much is it worth. The gun in is excellent shape, Grandpa never shot it. But the other one is there are some markings on the but of the gun that I can't identify. They are W.W. and below that is the number 1387. The W's are not like any font in the pictures here they are just like a normal W. The 1387 does not match the serial number at all. I have attached a picture of what I can't identify, the markings are right below the grip safety. Can someone help me out? Thanks!

Norme · 06-02-2012, 11:09 AM

Hi Lance, Welcome to the forum! The W.W./1387 marking on the rear grip strap is a Naval property marking indicating that this gun was delivered to the Wilhelmshaven Werft (dockyard). This was Imperial Germany's North Sea naval base. To assess value we need to see several clear photos, left side, right side and the serial number under the barrel. If you are reluctant to publish the serial number you can email me at: normrab@comcast.net. I'll send you the link to the Navy List, which lists all known surviving Navy Lugers. I'd like to add yours to the list. Regards, Norm

kd7yjc · 06-02-2012, 11:41 AM

Thank you so much Norm! I will get some pictures taken. Do you want me to send them to you for analysis? I can probably get those sent out by tomorrow.

Norme · 06-02-2012, 12:05 PM

Hi Lance, Posting your photos on the forum would be best, everyone would like to see a nice Navy Luger. If you're reluctant to do that you can send them to me. Regards, Norm

kd7yjc · 06-03-2012, 02:06 PM

Here are a couple pictures of the gun!

kd7yjc · 06-04-2012, 12:34 AM

Thanks everyone for your willingness to help. I will work on getting close up and better quality pictures and get those posted as soon as I can. I do have one request though, let's just forget about getting mad at each other and just be normal civil human beings to each other. I don't care who said what or anything like that. Jerry you are right, I am just trying to find out more information about what my grandpa left me. If my camera won't get good enough pictures, I have a friend who is a professional photographer, her camera will DEFINITELY be able to get good high quality close up pictures! Thanks again for everyone's help!!

alanint · 06-04-2012, 08:01 AM

This kind of exchange is highly unusual here on this site. Please do post better photos as everybody is eager to learn more about your inheritance. Navies are rare pistols and we do get exhited when one comes out of the woodwork.
Serial numbers are important as additions to the data base and may even produce a historical context. We look forward to seeing more of your treasure!

Edward Tinker · 06-04-2012, 09:36 AM

I tell you what, guys play nice or I'll delete everything except Mr lance' s remarks!@!@!@!

Why is everyone being so thin skinned? I thought that was my area??????

cirelaw · 06-04-2012, 05:03 PM

Eric,I'VE POSTED MY LUGER FAMILY FOR CLOSE TO TEN YEARS! never a problem!!! These are your finest 'GENTLEMEN' anywhere!

bacon74 · 06-04-2012, 10:53 PM

I'm Kevin, Lance's more awesome older brother. Here's some better pics of our new inheritance.

bacon74 · 06-04-2012, 11:06 PM

Norm- If you wouldn't mind sending that list of remaining Navy's, I'd love to see it. You can send it to bacon7477@hotmail.com. Thank you!

kd7yjc · 06-04-2012, 11:14 PM

Thanks for posting those Kevin. You just wish you were as awesome as me!

alanint · 06-05-2012, 06:09 AM

Still no serial number for the database, guys?

kd7yjc · 06-05-2012, 10:46 AM

hey all, The pictures above should be sufficient to get an idea how much it is worth. For now, Kevin and I are not going to post the serial number. We really do appreciate everyone's help with our questions! We just don't see the need to post the serial number. Not trying to be rude or anything, but we just don't see the merit in it. Thanks again for your help!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-05-2012, 10:53 AM

Lance..Then I suspect you will be on your own. If you don't want to share most guys here will not see the merit in helping. It's a two way street no matter how awsome you think you are.
Too bad you don't see the merit in it.

kd7yjc · 06-05-2012, 10:57 AM

Jerry, please explain to me why the serial number is needed? That's why we don't see the merit in it. We don't understand why the serial number is needed for anything. That doesn't change anything from what we have already posted. Please don't be upset with our ignorance, this is new to us.

cirelaw · 06-05-2012, 11:19 AM

I freely post my serial number. Its like showing pictures of you childen with no faces! Certain models bear certain values. There are certain nuisances. My test luger fell in a precise range Test gun #6786 Serial numbers are unique as a fingerprint. Ron Wood is our resident expert. Serial numbers are essential,First do they fall within Bannerman purchase? Second the suffix match the time. This small essentual is necessary. Maybe you have your own reasons. Impossible for a pure evaluation or appraisel

alanint · 06-05-2012, 11:22 AM

No offense, but, the serial number gives the gun a historical context. It helps establish exact date of manufacture and year in some cases. It may show place and date of issue or assignment to a specific unit. It may establish a start or cut off date for certain features and changes/adaptations in the firearm.
For your purposes, it might help establish value, as some serial blocks are rarer than others.
Nobody here wants to steal your pistol nor do they want to somehow use the serial for some obscure, nefarious purpose. The only interest is historical and serial numbers are offered up freely here on a regular basis. Nobody, to my knowledge, is looking for a lost or stolen Navy.
The only reason I can see for someone to withhold a serial number would be because THEY perhaps have something to hide.

bacon74 · 06-05-2012, 11:25 AM

With all due respect to everyone in the forum, we just don't feel the need to publish the serial number online. I don't need to publish the vin number to my truck to a bunch of random people on the internet or register it into any kind of database available to the general public in order to find out the value. We appreciate the information you've given us and if you would care to weigh in on a estiamte we would greatly appreciate it. If not, that's ok too. Thank you for your help. Cheers!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-05-2012, 11:32 AM

Lance, 06 Lugers were made in a certain time frame and sequence. To accurately analyize your pistol for worth it is necessary to authenticate it. The serial number is an integral part of that authentication. Both the numbers and the small letter suffix if there is any.
Further it will also be necessary..to fulfill your questions about worth to look for every serial number hidden on the pistol. There will be a 1-4 number serial on the front of the frame and under the barrel. There will also be various parts on the pistol with 1-2 serial numbers, the last 2 numbers of the main serial number.
All of this comes together to determine if the pistol is as it should be. That and dozens of other little nuances but the serial numbers come first. Without those..it is simply not possible to determine a value to this pistol.

But if you insist on a value with the information you are willing to give I value it at $12-1500
IF the pistol were able to be authenticated the value might more than double.

The vin for your truck and the serial number to this pistol are apples and oranges. There are literally HUNDREDS of Lugers out there with this same serial number. The Germans used serial numbers over and over.

06-02-2012, 10:52 AM	#1
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1906 Navy I am wondering if someone can help me out. I just inherited my Grandpa's 1906 Navy Luger that he brought back from the war. I have 2 questions about it. First is obviously, how much is it worth. The gun in is excellent shape, Grandpa never shot it. But the other one is there are some markings on the but of the gun that I can't identify. They are W.W. and below that is the number 1387. The W's are not like any font in the pictures here they are just like a normal W. The 1387 does not match the serial number at all. I have attached a picture of what I can't identify, the markings are right below the grip safety. Can someone help me out? Thanks! Attached Thumbnails

06-03-2012, 02:06 PM	#5
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pictures Here are a couple pictures of the gun! Attached Thumbnails

06-04-2012, 10:53 PM	#10
bacon74 New User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm Kevin, Lance's more awesome older brother. Here's some better pics of our new inheritance. Attached Thumbnails

06-05-2012, 10:53 AM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Lance..Then I suspect you will be on your own. If you don't want to share most guys here will not see the merit in helping. It's a two way street no matter how awsome you think you are. Too bad you don't see the merit in it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-05-2012, 11:19 AM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I freely post my serial number. Its like showing pictures of you childen with no faces! Certain models bear certain values. There are certain nuisances. My test luger fell in a precise range Test gun #6786 Serial numbers are unique as a fingerprint. Ron Wood is our resident expert. Serial numbers are essential,First do they fall within Bannerman purchase? Second the suffix match the time. This small essentual is necessary. Maybe you have your own reasons. Impossible for a pure evaluation or appraisel Attached Thumbnails

06-02-2012, 11:09 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Lance, Welcome to the forum! The W.W./1387 marking on the rear grip strap is a Naval property marking indicating that this gun was delivered to the Wilhelmshaven Werft (dockyard). This was Imperial Germany's North Sea naval base. To assess value we need to see several clear photos, left side, right side and the serial number under the barrel. If you are reluctant to publish the serial number you can email me at: normrab@comcast.net. I'll send you the link to the Navy List, which lists all known surviving Navy Lugers. I'd like to add yours to the list. Regards, Norm

06-02-2012, 11:41 AM	#3
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you so much Norm! I will get some pictures taken. Do you want me to send them to you for analysis? I can probably get those sent out by tomorrow.

06-02-2012, 12:05 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Lance, Posting your photos on the forum would be best, everyone would like to see a nice Navy Luger. If you're reluctant to do that you can send them to me. Regards, Norm

06-04-2012, 12:34 AM	#6
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks everyone for your willingness to help. I will work on getting close up and better quality pictures and get those posted as soon as I can. I do have one request though, let's just forget about getting mad at each other and just be normal civil human beings to each other. I don't care who said what or anything like that. Jerry you are right, I am just trying to find out more information about what my grandpa left me. If my camera won't get good enough pictures, I have a friend who is a professional photographer, her camera will DEFINITELY be able to get good high quality close up pictures! Thanks again for everyone's help!!

06-04-2012, 08:01 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	This kind of exchange is highly unusual here on this site. Please do post better photos as everybody is eager to learn more about your inheritance. Navies are rare pistols and we do get exhited when one comes out of the woodwork. Serial numbers are important as additions to the data base and may even produce a historical context. We look forward to seeing more of your treasure!

06-04-2012, 09:36 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I tell you what, guys play nice or I'll delete everything except Mr lance' s remarks!@!@!@! Why is everyone being so thin skinned? I thought that was my area??????

06-04-2012, 05:03 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Eric,I'VE POSTED MY LUGER FAMILY FOR CLOSE TO TEN YEARS! never a problem!!! These are your finest 'GENTLEMEN' anywhere!

06-04-2012, 11:06 PM	#11
bacon74 New User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Norm- If you wouldn't mind sending that list of remaining Navy's, I'd love to see it. You can send it to bacon7477@hotmail.com. Thank you!

06-04-2012, 11:14 PM	#12
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for posting those Kevin. You just wish you were as awesome as me!

06-05-2012, 06:09 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Still no serial number for the database, guys?

06-05-2012, 10:46 AM	#14
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey all, The pictures above should be sufficient to get an idea how much it is worth. For now, Kevin and I are not going to post the serial number. We really do appreciate everyone's help with our questions! We just don't see the need to post the serial number. Not trying to be rude or anything, but we just don't see the merit in it. Thanks again for your help!

06-05-2012, 10:57 AM	#16
kd7yjc User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry, please explain to me why the serial number is needed? That's why we don't see the merit in it. We don't understand why the serial number is needed for anything. That doesn't change anything from what we have already posted. Please don't be upset with our ignorance, this is new to us.

06-05-2012, 11:22 AM	#18
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	No offense, but, the serial number gives the gun a historical context. It helps establish exact date of manufacture and year in some cases. It may show place and date of issue or assignment to a specific unit. It may establish a start or cut off date for certain features and changes/adaptations in the firearm. For your purposes, it might help establish value, as some serial blocks are rarer than others. Nobody here wants to steal your pistol nor do they want to somehow use the serial for some obscure, nefarious purpose. The only interest is historical and serial numbers are offered up freely here on a regular basis. Nobody, to my knowledge, is looking for a lost or stolen Navy. The only reason I can see for someone to withhold a serial number would be because THEY perhaps have something to hide.

06-05-2012, 11:25 AM	#19
bacon74 New User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	With all due respect to everyone in the forum, we just don't feel the need to publish the serial number online. I don't need to publish the vin number to my truck to a bunch of random people on the internet or register it into any kind of database available to the general public in order to find out the value. We appreciate the information you've given us and if you would care to weigh in on a estiamte we would greatly appreciate it. If not, that's ok too. Thank you for your help. Cheers!

06-05-2012, 11:32 AM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Lance, 06 Lugers were made in a certain time frame and sequence. To accurately analyize your pistol for worth it is necessary to authenticate it. The serial number is an integral part of that authentication. Both the numbers and the small letter suffix if there is any. Further it will also be necessary..to fulfill your questions about worth to look for every serial number hidden on the pistol. There will be a 1-4 number serial on the front of the frame and under the barrel. There will also be various parts on the pistol with 1-2 serial numbers, the last 2 numbers of the main serial number. All of this comes together to determine if the pistol is as it should be. That and dozens of other little nuances but the serial numbers come first. Without those..it is simply not possible to determine a value to this pistol. But if you insist on a value with the information you are willing to give I value it at $12-1500 IF the pistol were able to be authenticated the value might more than double. The vin for your truck and the serial number to this pistol are apples and oranges. There are literally HUNDREDS of Lugers out there with this same serial number. The Germans used serial numbers over and over. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."