Calling all 1902 carbine experts

Kwmpa · 05-17-2011, 11:55 PM

I'm looking at purchasing my first Luger a 1902 carbine. What all should I be looking for. Its all serial numbers matching. I'm going to inspect it soon. Want to know what all to look for in person. Thanks

Edward Tinker · 05-18-2011, 02:08 AM

wow, thats an open question.

No offense, but if you are having to ask questions like this, I'd study much more before you start to lay out big money for a carbine.

Not a lot of ref out there on carbines, the new Sturgess book has them, kenyon talks about them, Datig does too and Walters.

Ed

Kwmpa · 05-18-2011, 06:17 AM

That is pretty offensive actually....I'm asking a question on a forum isn't that what forums are designed for....and inwas just getting ready to call you about the carbines you have but im going to forget that...

I know there are a couple of guys on here that know what they are talking about when it comes to them...I have been reading up on them actually but there has to be certain things to look for....and I'm not looking to buy from just anyone I'm looking at one George Anderson has for sale...and as far as I've read he's as honest as they come...this is going to be the first of many carbines looking to buy as many high quality ones as I can get my hands on...so if anyone wants to add something constructive and helpful for the good of the group please post what to look for.

Michael Zeleny · 05-18-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwmpa

That is pretty offensive actually....I'm asking a question on a forum isn't that what forums are designed for....and inwas just getting ready to call you about the carbines you have but im going to forget that...

This is not the right venue to impress the regulars with how much money you are eager to spend on bogus relics. Ed gave you the best advice possible under the circumstances. Buy the books before you buy the guns.

Kwmpa · 05-23-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

This is not the right venue to impress the regulars with how much money you are eager to spend on bogus relics. Ed gave you the best advice possible under the circumstances. Buy the books before you buy the guns.

Not trying to impress anyone with anything...if you read my reply to him i have the books...I was looking for additional knowledge

Michael Zeleny · 05-23-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwmpa

Not trying to impress anyone with anything...if you read my reply to him i have the books...I was looking for additional knowledge

If you have the books, read them to the point where you can pose sensible specific questions. As Ed suggested above, to ask "what all to look for in person" is to pose an open question that cannot be answered by anything short of a treatise on the subject of your query.

hgreer2 · 05-23-2011, 10:50 PM

If you have to buy the books from some greedy seller, you can't afford the carbine.

Harry

Edward Tinker · 05-18-2011, 06:20 AM

I am sorry, if I sounded like I was offending you, and I can see how it sounded that way, and I apologize.

As far as calling me about carbines, well, I have no shop and no carbines, so I am unsure who you are blaming for my rudeness.

My apologies.

Ed

deepdarkwoodsman · 05-18-2011, 06:48 AM

Ed:

I don't think you need to apologize for anything.

I think you gave this gentleman some very sound advice.

Doug

Kwmpa · 05-18-2011, 06:47 AM

Ed i should probably apologize to for my rude reply...Just mistaken maybe...possibly been up to long...or lack of coffee and pancakes...i know I'm jumping full bore into this with carbines and A&F guns....its high dollar stuff...honestly those are the only lugers i have an interest in...and I'm a young gun being just shy of 30 but I've grown up with vintage guns...my grandfather worked at colt so naturally I was involved in pre-war colts...my dad has been involved in Thompsons for a while....I know education is key I have bought ever Luger book I can get my hands on and read everything i possibly can...like I said I'm talking to George Anderson who from what i have heard is as honest as they come...I wouldn't buy from anyone without inspection and making sure everything is 100% correct I've looked at 15 or so carbines that I have passed on because things have been wrong...but the one I'm looking at is as sold as it gets for me nice patina all numbers matching. Repo case but I'm ok with that. George has been up front about any issues with anything. And from what I found hes quick to point out flaws...

Lugerdoc · 05-18-2011, 10:57 AM

K, Just a starting point: The Borchardt inspection should determine that the serial numbers are of the correct size, font and commerical location to be considered matching. If you can't make that determination, you have some more studying to do. TH

hgreer2 · 05-18-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwmpa

I'm looking at purchasing my first Luger a 1902 carbine. What all should I be looking for. Its all serial numbers matching. I'm going to inspect it soon. Want to know what all to look for in person. Thanks

If you really want to know, contact George Fortier. The most knowledgeable guy I know concerning 1902 carbines and he always willing to share his expertise.

Harry

Kwmpa · 05-23-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hgreer2

If you really want to know, contact George Fortier. The most knowledgeable guy I know concerning 1902 carbines and he always willing to share his expertise.

Harry

George had just emailed me...I need to give him a call this week

Ron Wood · 05-24-2011, 12:43 AM

It isn't to spoon feed jokers that do not care enough to do their own work and invest in the resources that will make them a little smarter and a better contributor to the forums. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter and when someone suggests you do a little research on your own to expand your frame of reference you go all ballistic and tell us to take our information to the grave. You are lazy Harry.

Kwmpa · 05-24-2011, 12:55 AM

What's funny is I actually spent $1600 on books have been reading for months and I'm still trying to piece everything together about carbines....then when I ask what to look for when buying I get jumped on because I wasn't specific enough...makes me not want to be a part of the Luger community...I'm not looking for info handed on a silver platter but I know there's several experts on here that can give me a list of very specific things to look for but it's like that info doesn't want to get shared which is what I thought a forum is for...sharing information for the greater good

Edward Tinker · 05-24-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwmpa

What's funny is I actually spent $1600 on books have been reading for months and I'm still trying to piece everything together about carbines....then when I ask what to look for when buying I get jumped on because I wasn't specific enough...makes me not want to be a part of the Luger community...I'm not looking for info handed on a silver platter but I know there's several experts on here that can give me a list of very specific things to look for but it's like that info doesn't want to get shared which is what I thought a forum is for...sharing information for the greater good

The forum is about sharing information, but you did not ask anything specific.

You asked what to look out for. All Michael and myself were asking for is that if you have a specific question, that is much easier to answer.

And NO, this is not a very well researched variation by very many members (very few collectors of these anyway)

Ed

Edward Tinker · 05-24-2011, 01:04 AM

Harry, one more comment tonight and you're out of here for a couple weeks.

05-17-2011, 11:55 PM	#1
Kwmpa User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Calling all 1902 carbine experts I'm looking at purchasing my first Luger a 1902 carbine. What all should I be looking for. Its all serial numbers matching. I'm going to inspect it soon. Want to know what all to look for in person. Thanks

05-18-2011, 02:08 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	wow, thats an open question. No offense, but if you are having to ask questions like this, I'd study much more before you start to lay out big money for a carbine. Not a lot of ref out there on carbines, the new Sturgess book has them, kenyon talks about them, Datig does too and Walters. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-18-2011, 10:57 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	K, Just a starting point: The Borchardt inspection should determine that the serial numbers are of the correct size, font and commerical location to be considered matching. If you can't make that determination, you have some more studying to do. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-24-2011, 12:43 AM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	It isn't to spoon feed jokers that do not care enough to do their own work and invest in the resources that will make them a little smarter and a better contributor to the forums. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter and when someone suggests you do a little research on your own to expand your frame of reference you go all ballistic and tell us to take our information to the grave. You are lazy Harry. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-18-2011, 06:17 AM	#3
Kwmpa User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That is pretty offensive actually....I'm asking a question on a forum isn't that what forums are designed for....and inwas just getting ready to call you about the carbines you have but im going to forget that... I know there are a couple of guys on here that know what they are talking about when it comes to them...I have been reading up on them actually but there has to be certain things to look for....and I'm not looking to buy from just anyone I'm looking at one George Anderson has for sale...and as far as I've read he's as honest as they come...this is going to be the first of many carbines looking to buy as many high quality ones as I can get my hands on...so if anyone wants to add something constructive and helpful for the good of the group please post what to look for.

05-23-2011, 10:50 PM	#7
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	If you have to buy the books from some greedy seller, you can't afford the carbine. Harry

05-18-2011, 06:20 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I am sorry, if I sounded like I was offending you, and I can see how it sounded that way, and I apologize. As far as calling me about carbines, well, I have no shop and no carbines, so I am unsure who you are blaming for my rudeness. My apologies. Ed

05-18-2011, 06:48 AM	#9
deepdarkwoodsman User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	Ed: I don't think you need to apologize for anything. I think you gave this gentleman some very sound advice. Doug

05-18-2011, 06:47 AM	#10
Kwmpa User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed i should probably apologize to for my rude reply...Just mistaken maybe...possibly been up to long...or lack of coffee and pancakes...i know I'm jumping full bore into this with carbines and A&F guns....its high dollar stuff...honestly those are the only lugers i have an interest in...and I'm a young gun being just shy of 30 but I've grown up with vintage guns...my grandfather worked at colt so naturally I was involved in pre-war colts...my dad has been involved in Thompsons for a while....I know education is key I have bought ever Luger book I can get my hands on and read everything i possibly can...like I said I'm talking to George Anderson who from what i have heard is as honest as they come...I wouldn't buy from anyone without inspection and making sure everything is 100% correct I've looked at 15 or so carbines that I have passed on because things have been wrong...but the one I'm looking at is as sold as it gets for me nice patina all numbers matching. Repo case but I'm ok with that. George has been up front about any issues with anything. And from what I found hes quick to point out flaws...

05-24-2011, 12:55 AM	#15
Kwmpa User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What's funny is I actually spent $1600 on books have been reading for months and I'm still trying to piece everything together about carbines....then when I ask what to look for when buying I get jumped on because I wasn't specific enough...makes me not want to be a part of the Luger community...I'm not looking for info handed on a silver platter but I know there's several experts on here that can give me a list of very specific things to look for but it's like that info doesn't want to get shared which is what I thought a forum is for...sharing information for the greater good

05-24-2011, 01:04 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Harry, one more comment tonight and you're out of here for a couple weeks.