Navy Luger

3rdHerd · 02-16-2010, 01:38 PM

I need some information on it. I have had it for 25 years. I got it off my uncle who had it before me for a number of years. All numbers match. Has alliminum bottom not wood clip. It's a 7.65 milimeter. Barrel has no markings. Barrel length is 3 1/16 inches long. I have not taken it apart. I read an article in shotgun news February 15th that the Navy was short on lugers so they got commercial and put Navy markings on them. Would like any information you can provide me with as it seems you are experts and I am not. Thank you very much.

Ron Wood · 02-16-2010, 02:16 PM

Your Luger was originally a military gun. It is a 1906 First Issue Altered Navy Luger. It is unit marked to the Werft (shipyard) Wilhelmshaven. At some point in time, probably in the 1920s, the original barrel was removed and replaced with a 7.65 barrel.

Thor · 02-16-2010, 03:46 PM

Hugh Clark can fix that right grip!

3rdHerd · 02-16-2010, 03:57 PM

Thanks for the info Ron what kind of value do these things have?All parts match 83 on serial number.Would the original barrel have navy markings also?I collect Military that is why I picked it up from my uncle.It was always just a luger till I got on line and checked markings and then came across this site.So wanted to get more knowledge from those who know about them.

Ron Wood · 02-16-2010, 04:10 PM

The original barrel would be longer, 150mm or approximately 6-inches. It would have the navy crown/M marking and the serial number. I am not good at assessing value, I will let that to the guys that are more attuned to the market.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-16-2010, 04:33 PM

John, Interesting post...This used to be a pistol worth many thousands..when the barrel went AWOL it shed $$ like a dog shakes off water.
Still an interesting pistol and would be more interesting with a 9MM barrel.
Is Germany stamped on it anywhere?

the Navy was short on lugers so they got commercial and put Navy markings on them. As Ron says..this started out as an Imperial Navy. The .30 Luger is not a military cartridge but more of a Weimar time frame conversion. Perhaps sold into the USA in the 1920's. Hence my question about the GERMANY marking.

Hard to say what kind of market price you may get..Because of the conversion to .30 Luger and the original barrel missing it is pretty much a very interesting shooter. $800 would be about right except for the Navy sight, frame, markings & grip safety. Some depends on what the internals might look like when you take it apart. The right grip needs some TLC. It depends on how quick you want to sell. It will sell immediately at $1,000-1,200. Might take some time to squeeze $1500 out of it. Some collector might find it interesting enough to give more but the economy is a little rough. With the original barrel it might have been $5000-7000.

Jerry Burney

Ron Smith · 02-16-2010, 04:36 PM

The pistol itself hasn't much collector value. Maybe in the $1200 range due to the fact that it is a Navy Luger.

The rear sight alone has appreciable value to people looking for restoration parts. I've seen them sell for anywhere from $600 to $800+.

Ron

3rdHerd · 02-16-2010, 06:12 PM

Jerry thanks for the reply and it does not have Germany stamped on it.I sure wish it could tell me it's history.
John

3rdHerd · 02-16-2010, 06:14 PM

Ron thanks for your reply also hard to believe the sight would bring that much.

John

02-16-2010, 01:38 PM	#1
3rdHerd New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Navy Luger I need some information on it. I have had it for 25 years. I got it off my uncle who had it before me for a number of years. All numbers match. Has alliminum bottom not wood clip. It's a 7.65 milimeter. Barrel has no markings. Barrel length is 3 1/16 inches long. I have not taken it apart. I read an article in shotgun news February 15th that the Navy was short on lugers so they got commercial and put Navy markings on them. Would like any information you can provide me with as it seems you are experts and I am not. Thank you very much. Attached Thumbnails

02-16-2010, 02:16 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Your Luger was originally a military gun. It is a 1906 First Issue Altered Navy Luger. It is unit marked to the Werft (shipyard) Wilhelmshaven. At some point in time, probably in the 1920s, the original barrel was removed and replaced with a 7.65 barrel. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-16-2010, 03:46 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Hugh Clark can fix that right grip! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-16-2010, 04:10 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	The original barrel would be longer, 150mm or approximately 6-inches. It would have the navy crown/M marking and the serial number. I am not good at assessing value, I will let that to the guys that are more attuned to the market. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-16-2010, 04:33 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	John, Interesting post...This used to be a pistol worth many thousands..when the barrel went AWOL it shed $$ like a dog shakes off water. Still an interesting pistol and would be more interesting with a 9MM barrel. Is Germany stamped on it anywhere? the Navy was short on lugers so they got commercial and put Navy markings on them. As Ron says..this started out as an Imperial Navy. The .30 Luger is not a military cartridge but more of a Weimar time frame conversion. Perhaps sold into the USA in the 1920's. Hence my question about the GERMANY marking. Hard to say what kind of market price you may get..Because of the conversion to .30 Luger and the original barrel missing it is pretty much a very interesting shooter. $800 would be about right except for the Navy sight, frame, markings & grip safety. Some depends on what the internals might look like when you take it apart. The right grip needs some TLC. It depends on how quick you want to sell. It will sell immediately at $1,000-1,200. Might take some time to squeeze $1500 out of it. Some collector might find it interesting enough to give more but the economy is a little rough. With the original barrel it might have been $5000-7000. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-16-2010, 03:57 PM	#4
3rdHerd New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info Ron what kind of value do these things have?All parts match 83 on serial number.Would the original barrel have navy markings also?I collect Military that is why I picked it up from my uncle.It was always just a luger till I got on line and checked markings and then came across this site.So wanted to get more knowledge from those who know about them.

02-16-2010, 04:36 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	The pistol itself hasn't much collector value. Maybe in the $1200 range due to the fact that it is a Navy Luger. The rear sight alone has appreciable value to people looking for restoration parts. I've seen them sell for anywhere from $600 to $800+. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-16-2010, 06:12 PM	#8
3rdHerd New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry thanks for the reply and it does not have Germany stamped on it.I sure wish it could tell me it's history. John

02-16-2010, 06:14 PM	#9
3rdHerd New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron thanks for your reply also hard to believe the sight would bring that much. John