Last time a Luger was used in a crime?

Jasta2 · 11-21-2009, 09:29 PM

Can anyone recall the last time a Luger was used in a crime ( non-militaty) or someone shot/killed by a Luger during a crime? My wife and I were talking this am and she lumped the Luger in with all the other handguns used in crime today. I told her I could not recall a Luger being used in a crime, except I think Bonny & Clyde used one once, or was at least pictured with one. But no doubt in earlier days they server the criminals very well.
Tks,Bill

Tomathvl · 11-21-2009, 09:43 PM

The only event that comes to mind is Superman, i.e. George Reeves was either shot with or took his own life with a Luger. That was in 1959.
Tom

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2009, 09:56 PM

I am sure it has happened many times, but it is not the likely choice of an average criminal.... why would it be?

It is not as easy to find as say a glock or ruger or colt or ... In other words, unless stolen or used by someone who associates the luger with bad things, I can't imagine why it would be chosen?

Just a guess or feeling, but perhaps if your wife feels this way, I would guess she feels lugers are associated badly. To many folks, they associate lugers with nazi's. And lugers started in the early 1900's, many, many years before them.

Ed

MikeP · 11-22-2009, 01:52 AM

There are a lot of 30's movies where Lugers were bad guys guns.

They had the look and the connotation rolled into one.

A number of cop reality type shows over the years involved lugers.

One guy killed his family and was caught years later.
Another wher a bad guy in Missori was killed in public, only no witnesses,
I believe a Luger was used and tossed into wet concrete in a city park structure, later dug up.
A number of others over the years.
More, probably, just not specified.

Heinz · 11-22-2009, 07:34 AM

The crime Lugers are most frequently involved in is fraud. Carried stuck in your belt like the modern desperados prefer, they are a good way to get shot in the crotch.

Ron Smith · 11-22-2009, 08:45 AM

One of the Puerto Rican's that tried to assassinate Harry Truman at Blair House in 1950 was armed with a Luger. It jammed, and he was killed by a Capitol Police Officer.

If I recall correctly, John List the guy who murdered his entire family and managed to hide his identity for 25(?)years. Used 1912 Steyr-Hahn Pistol.

It's also reported that Ty Cobb carried a Luger everywhere he went, up until his death in '61. Even brought it to the hospital where he died. He had it in a paper bag with over a million dollars in cash. In the movie with Tommy Lee Jones, he had an Artillery Luger.

Not a Luger, but my all time favorite is the Dilbert that stole a shotgun from his dad. Sawed the barrels off, robbed a corner Mini-Mart for something like $47. Got caught about 3 hours later, and still his dad's chopped off $3500.00 shotgun in the car.

Jasta2 · 11-22-2009, 12:29 PM

Ron,
That was like a story here in New England a few years back. Some younger family members took the grandparents, or other relitaves coin collection and bought junk food with it. I take that has happened many times.
Bill

Lugerdoc · 11-22-2009, 01:05 PM

Don't know if anyone else noticed, but on one of the TV shows of "Everyone hates Chris", the local bad guy held up Chris with the frame of a luger inside his belt --- no top, just the frame. TH

the gunman · 11-22-2009, 01:13 PM

There was a case in NJ I belieive in the 50s where a man walked down the street with a luger shooting and reloading with spare mags killed I think 7 or 8

WG dog · 11-22-2009, 04:27 PM

Here's a Luger "prevent a crime" story:

http://www4.vindy.com/content/local_...5571786744.php .

Someone used a WWII Walther P38 to kill Bonny Lee Bakley.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,233425,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Blake_(actor)

Vlim · 11-22-2009, 06:25 PM

In 2003, a German gang aptly called the 'Opa Bande' (Grampa Gang) committed a few bankrobberies using WW2 equipment, including a P08 and a Sten-gun.

The trio, then 63, 73 and 74, was caugh and tried.

fg42 · 11-23-2009, 02:17 AM

The one I remember is the young Canadian who used a single action 45 he had inherited from his grandfather to hold up a gas station. He was caught his weapon was traced to being issued to one of Benteins(sp) men at the Little Big Horn. It was apparently carried north by one of the winners. It was auctioned off by the Mounties for a lot of money.

Ron Smith · 11-23-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fg42

The one I remember is the young Canadian who used a single action 45 he had inherited from his grandfather to hold up a gas station. He was caught his weapon was traced to being issued to one of Benteins(sp) men at the Little Big Horn. It was apparently carried north by one of the winners. It was auctioned off by the Mounties for a lot of money.

There was a well known 80+ yr old retired Forest Service Supervisor and Hunting Guide from Blue River,OR. about 35 miles east of here. His grandfather was a railroad guard for Wells Fargo.

He had his grandad's S&W revolver and Greener 10ga Coach gun that were marked Property of Wells Fargo, and had agreed to sell them at a pre-set price to a local dealer upon his death.

A couple of neighboring scumbag brothers burgled his home, and stole the S&W and Greener among other things. They came into the same dealer's shop a week or so later wanting to sell them.

An off duty County Deputy who was a friend of the dealer's happened to be in the shop at the time. The guns were recovered, along with several other items that they had in their car. There's no cure for stupid.

Ron

Dan44 · 11-23-2009, 11:19 AM

Malcolm X, one of the shooters used a Luger. (1965)

Went Blakely · 11-24-2009, 03:45 AM

Here, i believe it was in the 70s-90s, in the gangland war era of the time, a suspect, somebody who knew to much about a certain drug smuggler, was killed by a luger pistol.

TimTheGrim · 11-29-2009, 07:14 PM

I was an alternate on a jury in Hackensack, NJ back in the mid 90's. I did not have to cast a verdict during this trial.
A beauty salon in New Milford, NJ had been broken into over night and about $1300 was stolen. Four young adults were caught as they tried to exit the building.
A few hours later an observant patrol officer noticed a car with NY plates and the driver side window open was parked on a residential street a block away. He looked in the open window and saw the round end of a Luger magazine and part of a grip that was exposed from where it was stuffed into a seat. He wisely called for detectives who photographed the scene before doing a further search.
The Luger was a 1917 Erfurt and according to the prosecution had been appraised at $1400.00. There were rounds in the magazine but not one chambered. A box of 9mm ammo was found under a seat with the same # of rounds missing.
The car was registered to one of the boys fathers from Warwick, NY. The son who was arrested lived with his parents. The father claimed ownership of the pistol.
The jury found the young man guilty of the B&E but NOT guilty of "possession of a loaded firearm" because the car window was open and "Someone could have put it there".
As far as I know the father did not get his Luger back from the Bergen County DA.

LugerVern · 11-29-2009, 11:28 PM

A little off topic but always wondered what happened to the Kings Luger

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...une/siam46.htm

Vern

cirelaw · 11-30-2009, 10:08 AM

How about a Luger imn a comic book?

Roadkill · 12-06-2009, 10:49 PM

There was an old guy back in the 90s who killed his wife with a Luger brought back from WWII. She had Alzheimers and its was a "mercy" killing. He went to jail for it . Think it was in Florida.

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11-21-2009, 09:29 PM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Last time a Luger was used in a crime? Can anyone recall the last time a Luger was used in a crime ( non-militaty) or someone shot/killed by a Luger during a crime? My wife and I were talking this am and she lumped the Luger in with all the other handguns used in crime today. I told her I could not recall a Luger being used in a crime, except I think Bonny & Clyde used one once, or was at least pictured with one. But no doubt in earlier days they server the criminals very well. Tks,Bill

11-21-2009, 09:56 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	I am sure it has happened many times, but it is not the likely choice of an average criminal.... why would it be? It is not as easy to find as say a glock or ruger or colt or ... In other words, unless stolen or used by someone who associates the luger with bad things, I can't imagine why it would be chosen? Just a guess or feeling, but perhaps if your wife feels this way, I would guess she feels lugers are associated badly. To many folks, they associate lugers with nazi's. And lugers started in the early 1900's, many, many years before them. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-22-2009, 08:45 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	One of the Puerto Rican's that tried to assassinate Harry Truman at Blair House in 1950 was armed with a Luger. It jammed, and he was killed by a Capitol Police Officer. If I recall correctly, John List the guy who murdered his entire family and managed to hide his identity for 25(?)years. Used 1912 Steyr-Hahn Pistol. It's also reported that Ty Cobb carried a Luger everywhere he went, up until his death in '61. Even brought it to the hospital where he died. He had it in a paper bag with over a million dollars in cash. In the movie with Tommy Lee Jones, he had an Artillery Luger. Not a Luger, but my all time favorite is the Dilbert that stole a shotgun from his dad. Sawed the barrels off, robbed a corner Mini-Mart for something like $47. Got caught about 3 hours later, and still his dad's chopped off $3500.00 shotgun in the car. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-22-2009, 01:05 PM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Don't know if anyone else noticed, but on one of the TV shows of "Everyone hates Chris", the local bad guy held up Chris with the frame of a luger inside his belt --- no top, just the frame. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-22-2009, 06:25 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	In 2003, a German gang aptly called the 'Opa Bande' (Grampa Gang) committed a few bankrobberies using WW2 equipment, including a P08 and a Sten-gun. The trio, then 63, 73 and 74, was caugh and tried. Attached Thumbnails

11-21-2009, 09:43 PM	#2
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	The only event that comes to mind is Superman, i.e. George Reeves was either shot with or took his own life with a Luger. That was in 1959. Tom

11-22-2009, 01:52 AM	#4
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	There are a lot of 30's movies where Lugers were bad guys guns. They had the look and the connotation rolled into one. A number of cop reality type shows over the years involved lugers. One guy killed his family and was caught years later. Another wher a bad guy in Missori was killed in public, only no witnesses, I believe a Luger was used and tossed into wet concrete in a city park structure, later dug up. A number of others over the years. More, probably, just not specified.

11-22-2009, 07:34 AM	#5
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	The crime Lugers are most frequently involved in is fraud. Carried stuck in your belt like the modern desperados prefer, they are a good way to get shot in the crotch.

11-22-2009, 12:29 PM	#7
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Ron, That was like a story here in New England a few years back. Some younger family members took the grandparents, or other relitaves coin collection and bought junk food with it. I take that has happened many times. Bill

11-22-2009, 01:13 PM	#9
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	There was a case in NJ I belieive in the 50s where a man walked down the street with a luger shooting and reloading with spare mags killed I think 7 or 8

11-22-2009, 04:27 PM	#10
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	Here's a Luger "prevent a crime" story: http://www4.vindy.com/content/local_...5571786744.php . Someone used a WWII Walther P38 to kill Bonny Lee Bakley. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,233425,00.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Blake_(actor)

11-23-2009, 02:17 AM	#12
fg42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The one I remember is the young Canadian who used a single action 45 he had inherited from his grandfather to hold up a gas station. He was caught his weapon was traced to being issued to one of Benteins(sp) men at the Little Big Horn. It was apparently carried north by one of the winners. It was auctioned off by the Mounties for a lot of money.

11-23-2009, 11:19 AM	#14
Dan44 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Malcolm X, one of the shooters used a Luger. (1965)

11-24-2009, 03:45 AM	#15
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Here, i believe it was in the 70s-90s, in the gangland war era of the time, a suspect, somebody who knew to much about a certain drug smuggler, was killed by a luger pistol. __________________ Went Blakely

11-29-2009, 07:14 PM	#16
TimTheGrim New User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Far West Texas Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was an alternate on a jury in Hackensack, NJ back in the mid 90's. I did not have to cast a verdict during this trial. A beauty salon in New Milford, NJ had been broken into over night and about $1300 was stolen. Four young adults were caught as they tried to exit the building. A few hours later an observant patrol officer noticed a car with NY plates and the driver side window open was parked on a residential street a block away. He looked in the open window and saw the round end of a Luger magazine and part of a grip that was exposed from where it was stuffed into a seat. He wisely called for detectives who photographed the scene before doing a further search. The Luger was a 1917 Erfurt and according to the prosecution had been appraised at $1400.00. There were rounds in the magazine but not one chambered. A box of 9mm ammo was found under a seat with the same # of rounds missing. The car was registered to one of the boys fathers from Warwick, NY. The son who was arrested lived with his parents. The father claimed ownership of the pistol. The jury found the young man guilty of the B&E but NOT guilty of "possession of a loaded firearm" because the car window was open and "Someone could have put it there". As far as I know the father did not get his Luger back from the Bergen County DA.

11-29-2009, 11:28 PM	#17
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	A little off topic but always wondered what happened to the Kings Luger http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...une/siam46.htm Vern

11-30-2009, 10:08 AM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	How about a Luger imn a comic book? Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 10:49 PM	#19
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	There was an old guy back in the 90s who killed his wife with a Luger brought back from WWII. She had Alzheimers and its was a "mercy" killing. He went to jail for it . Think it was in Florida.

12-07-2009, 12:20 AM	#20
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	This Luger is still legal in Great Britain This could be YOUR future without a strong NRA http://www.thinkfasttoys.com/product...key_id=4802136 Check out the video, too __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)