My first Luger DWM 1917

vernonsmith · 10-10-2009, 05:06 AM

Just want to share some pics of my very first Luger P08. It's an all matching DWM 1917. Can anyone please let me know what roughly is the % remaining on the pistol? I am new to pistol collecting and have got no idea how to judge it. But from my 'personal' opinion is about 90%?

wdavid431 · 10-10-2009, 07:49 AM

I am new to this also (Lugers), however, I would say your pistol is at least 90% blue and perhaps a little more. Nice looking Luger.

alvin · 10-10-2009, 08:13 AM

If bore is fine, it's NRA Excellent.

NRA definition: http://www.horstheld.com/0-NRA.htm

Personally, I feel NRA's firearm condition makes more sense than Blue Book's gun blue condition, because it's more comprehensive, and 90, 92, 94 ... do not make much difference. But neither covers situation like defects focusing on one area which makes the item very ugly.

The following item was refurbished. But let's assume it were original (so I can continue), this horizontal scratch would be very annoying. How many percent does not solve that issue.

vernonsmith · 10-10-2009, 08:26 AM

Yeah I think it is at least 90% being conservative. Being able to handle the gun first hand I will say max 93%!

The bore is in good condition but I can't seems to get a nice picture of the bore. A bit too 'technical' for me to take that pic.

vernonsmith · 10-13-2009, 12:01 AM

Hi all,

I have fieldstripped and partial detail stripped my Luger and can't believe what I saw inside. How come there are sooooooo many markings inside other than the serial numbers? I find 'Z' or 'N', 'U' or 'C', 'Q', 'Y' all over the place and so many other unusual markings that I can't figure out what they are...

I wish I can post up some pics but it's just too many of them that I can easily load up 15 or 20 of them up here. Is it normal to have so many markings on a WW1 Luger or could all these have been added over the years from 1917 until now 2009?

Ron Wood · 10-13-2009, 01:56 AM

Yes, it is normal for a WWI Luger to have so many markings. They are just inspector or worker stamps applied to indicate that some step in production had been successfully completed. They have not been applied over the years and there is no key to their meaning or who the individuals were that applied them.

vernonsmith · 10-14-2009, 12:15 PM

Judging from the pictures, is anyone able to provide estimate how much this Luger worth? I paid $1800 (including a matched but torn holster, an extra Erfurt mag as well as a correct tool) for this piece just need to know how I did with the price I paid. Already stripped the gun down and checked all parts are matched and comes with a matching number magazine as well. Bore is good but I can't seem to take a pic inside.

Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Ron Wood · 10-15-2009, 01:44 AM

From the photos the gun is in excellent condition. Even your estimate of 93% is a little bit on the conservative side. You do not encounter these late war pieces in such lovely condition very often. At $1800 you did not steal the gun but you got a very good buy. I would be happy to have a gun in that condition at that price.

vernonsmith · 10-15-2009, 03:04 AM

To all you experts out there along with your invaluable advice and opinion that I got from you, I thank you sincerely I were able to obtain such a high quality Luger. A credit to you all.

Regards.

Douglas Jr. · 10-15-2009, 08:32 AM

Vern, you did remarkably well for your first Luger.
Congratulations!

Douglas

vernonsmith · 10-15-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

Vern, you did remarkably well for your first Luger.
Congratulations!

Douglas

Wouldn't have happened without all your helps

As a token of appreciation I've made a donation towards the forum. Keep up the good work, you guys are brilliant!

Regards.

10-10-2009, 05:06 AM	#1
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	My first Luger DWM 1917 Just want to share some pics of my very first Luger P08. It's an all matching DWM 1917. Can anyone please let me know what roughly is the % remaining on the pistol? I am new to pistol collecting and have got no idea how to judge it. But from my 'personal' opinion is about 90%? Last edited by vernonsmith; 10-10-2009 at 07:41 AM.

10-10-2009, 07:49 AM	#2
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I am new to this also (Lugers), however, I would say your pistol is at least 90% blue and perhaps a little more. Nice looking Luger. __________________ W David

10-10-2009, 08:13 AM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	If bore is fine, it's NRA Excellent. NRA definition: http://www.horstheld.com/0-NRA.htm Personally, I feel NRA's firearm condition makes more sense than Blue Book's gun blue condition, because it's more comprehensive, and 90, 92, 94 ... do not make much difference. But neither covers situation like defects focusing on one area which makes the item very ugly. The following item was refurbished. But let's assume it were original (so I can continue), this horizontal scratch would be very annoying. How many percent does not solve that issue. Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2009, 01:56 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Yes, it is normal for a WWI Luger to have so many markings. They are just inspector or worker stamps applied to indicate that some step in production had been successfully completed. They have not been applied over the years and there is no key to their meaning or who the individuals were that applied them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-14-2009, 12:15 PM	#7
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Judging from the pictures, is anyone able to provide estimate how much this Luger worth? I paid $1800 (including a matched but torn holster, an extra Erfurt mag as well as a correct tool) for this piece just need to know how I did with the price I paid. Already stripped the gun down and checked all parts are matched and comes with a matching number magazine as well. Bore is good but I can't seem to take a pic inside. Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance. Last edited by vernonsmith; 10-14-2009 at 09:03 PM.

10-10-2009, 08:26 AM	#4
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah I think it is at least 90% being conservative. Being able to handle the gun first hand I will say max 93%! The bore is in good condition but I can't seems to get a nice picture of the bore. A bit too 'technical' for me to take that pic.

10-13-2009, 12:01 AM	#5
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi all, I have fieldstripped and partial detail stripped my Luger and can't believe what I saw inside. How come there are sooooooo many markings inside other than the serial numbers? I find 'Z' or 'N', 'U' or 'C', 'Q', 'Y' all over the place and so many other unusual markings that I can't figure out what they are... I wish I can post up some pics but it's just too many of them that I can easily load up 15 or 20 of them up here. Is it normal to have so many markings on a WW1 Luger or could all these have been added over the years from 1917 until now 2009?

10-15-2009, 01:44 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	From the photos the gun is in excellent condition. Even your estimate of 93% is a little bit on the conservative side. You do not encounter these late war pieces in such lovely condition very often. At $1800 you did not steal the gun but you got a very good buy. I would be happy to have a gun in that condition at that price. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-15-2009, 03:04 AM	#9
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	To all you experts out there along with your invaluable advice and opinion that I got from you, I thank you sincerely I were able to obtain such a high quality Luger. A credit to you all. Regards. Last edited by vernonsmith; 10-15-2009 at 06:04 AM.

10-15-2009, 08:32 AM	#10
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Vern, you did remarkably well for your first Luger. Congratulations! Douglas