Needing help ID'ing and valuing these 2 guns...

DavidJayUden · 08-07-2009, 07:00 PM

Well actually it is just one gun, fashioned from 2.
I just picked this one up (hadn't bought a Luger in weeks and was getting crabby). Here is what I am seieng:
The entire upper is matching Erfurt, 1913 dated, no artillery sight cut-out. number 1509. No suffix noted, condition is excellent with some bluing wear on the side plate and equally on both sides of the muzzle. Bore is good, but not as nice as the exterior. Very little scratching on the bottom of the bolt carrier. All numbers match and the straw on the ejecter is very nice.
Now the lower is the older style P08 with no stock lug and no cut-out for the hold open. 6556 c (or lazy L), with all numbers matching, including the excellent #56 grips. MAgazine is correct wood bottom with no numbers and some wear on the wood sides. WRS 216 stamped on the front grip strap, very little bluing loss is noted excepting the front tips of the frame rails, and the inside looks about like new. Straw is very good with some signs of fire bluing in places like the top of the trigger.
It's a crying shame that these 2 got mixed together, but so be it. I will probably put it on the market in the next few weeks or months and need to know approx. value. I can't quite bring myself toadmit it is a low buck shooter, but understand the hit for being mismatched, albiet rare halves.
Your coments are welcome.

policeluger · 08-07-2009, 08:06 PM

A very nice looking shooter, I to am sorry it is MM, but never the less nice looking gun....

sheepherder · 08-07-2009, 08:40 PM

I've seen MM's like this sell for $800 on GB...Shoot; who am I fooling??? I *bought* an MM like that for $749 on GB back in January...

alvin · 08-07-2009, 08:54 PM

Learn something new everyday : "MM"

BB says something like "today's Luger collectors care nothing unless it's original". In similar way, "today's class III collectors care nothing unless it's registered" (mine, BB did not say so). Shooting is fun though. "BB": Blue Book of Gun Values.

Edward Tinker · 08-07-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Learn something new everyday : "MM"

...

Personally, I have no idea what the hell a MM is...

It might have older, nicer parts, but I think $600-$800 (and $800 is a max I would be hard pressed to get at a gun show)...

Ed

Ron Wood · 08-07-2009, 08:57 PM

It's a pretty gun, so maybe it is also a Mmmm!

Ron Wood · 08-07-2009, 10:52 PM

Hey Ed, think outside the box. MM=mismatched!

George Anderson · 08-07-2009, 11:11 PM

It's a damn nice mix of some very interesting parts.

DavidJayUden · 08-07-2009, 11:35 PM

So what is WRS216?
DJU

08-07-2009, 07:00 PM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Needing help ID'ing and valuing these 2 guns... Well actually it is just one gun, fashioned from 2. I just picked this one up (hadn't bought a Luger in weeks and was getting crabby). Here is what I am seieng: The entire upper is matching Erfurt, 1913 dated, no artillery sight cut-out. number 1509. No suffix noted, condition is excellent with some bluing wear on the side plate and equally on both sides of the muzzle. Bore is good, but not as nice as the exterior. Very little scratching on the bottom of the bolt carrier. All numbers match and the straw on the ejecter is very nice. Now the lower is the older style P08 with no stock lug and no cut-out for the hold open. 6556 c (or lazy L), with all numbers matching, including the excellent #56 grips. MAgazine is correct wood bottom with no numbers and some wear on the wood sides. WRS 216 stamped on the front grip strap, very little bluing loss is noted excepting the front tips of the frame rails, and the inside looks about like new. Straw is very good with some signs of fire bluing in places like the top of the trigger. It's a crying shame that these 2 got mixed together, but so be it. I will probably put it on the market in the next few weeks or months and need to know approx. value. I can't quite bring myself toadmit it is a low buck shooter, but understand the hit for being mismatched, albiet rare halves. Your coments are welcome. Attached Thumbnails

08-07-2009, 08:57 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	It's a pretty gun, so maybe it is also a Mmmm! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-07-2009, 10:52 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Hey Ed, think outside the box. MM=mismatched! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-07-2009, 08:06 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	A very nice looking shooter, I to am sorry it is MM, but never the less nice looking gun....

08-07-2009, 08:40 PM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I've seen MM's like this sell for $800 on GB...Shoot; who am I fooling??? I bought an MM like that for $749 on GB back in January...

08-07-2009, 08:54 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Learn something new everyday : "MM" BB says something like "today's Luger collectors care nothing unless it's original". In similar way, "today's class III collectors care nothing unless it's registered" (mine, BB did not say so). Shooting is fun though. "BB": Blue Book of Gun Values.

08-07-2009, 11:11 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	It's a damn nice mix of some very interesting parts.

08-07-2009, 11:35 PM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So what is WRS216? DJU