Capture paper value

Ron D · 12-02-2008, 01:43 PM

New to the Forum, thus a novices question. Given two identical Lugers, one with 1944 capture papers, containing the serial number, how much (percentage) does the paper increase the value over the unpapered pistol? Thanks.
Ron

John Sabato · 12-02-2008, 05:13 PM

It varies with the collector who is buying... these papers have been known to be faked by unscrupulous sellers... if genuine, some say it increases the value of the "rig" by $50.00 or even more...

GerColctor · 12-02-2008, 05:19 PM

The only Lugers made with a 1944 chamber date were Krieghoffs used by the Luftwaffe. Rare and expensive Lugers, as there were so few produced compared to Mauser. If you talking original capture document for a Krieghoff by serial number, then that piece of paper has to worth a lot of money with the pistol.

If it is a capture paper for a Mauser, Erfurt or a DWM made Luger the paper will add at least $100 or a little more to the gun. Mauser stopped making Lugers in the Fall of 1942 in order to produce the P-38.

Make sure you know what your buying before you invest a lot of $$$.
Joe

George Anderson · 12-02-2008, 06:54 PM

I don't know that I have ever seen 1944 dated papers.

GerColctor · 12-06-2008, 06:37 PM

taqcfoley

Interesting variation of an old Chinese saying.

George

I have seen quite a few capture papers and like you never saw one dated earlier then 1945. Not saying there aren't ones dated prior to 1945.

The 1944 date might be a "red" flag concerning this document, unless somebody knows of an earlier version.

Joe

Zamo · 12-09-2008, 02:03 PM

I don't know if it would be an indication of a forgery. Let's put this in perspective. How many troops rotated home from the ETO in 1944 versus 1945? The Allies landed in France halfway through 1944, so there's only six months left in '44 to go home, or to send a package home. There probably wasn't a lot of guys "going home" unless they were either a very senior officer doing some stuff back in the states, or were WIA. Compare the numbers of both of those groups with the great exodus of returning GI's of all flavours during 1945, and you can easily see how rare a 1944 marked set of papers would be, yet that doesn't mean they don't, or didn't exist.

12-02-2008, 01:43 PM	#1
Ron D New User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Capture paper value New to the Forum, thus a novices question. Given two identical Lugers, one with 1944 capture papers, containing the serial number, how much (percentage) does the paper increase the value over the unpapered pistol? Thanks. Ron

12-02-2008, 05:13 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	It varies with the collector who is buying... these papers have been known to be faked by unscrupulous sellers... if genuine, some say it increases the value of the "rig" by $50.00 or even more... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-02-2008, 05:19 PM	#3
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	The only Lugers made with a 1944 chamber date were Krieghoffs used by the Luftwaffe. Rare and expensive Lugers, as there were so few produced compared to Mauser. If you talking original capture document for a Krieghoff by serial number, then that piece of paper has to worth a lot of money with the pistol. If it is a capture paper for a Mauser, Erfurt or a DWM made Luger the paper will add at least $100 or a little more to the gun. Mauser stopped making Lugers in the Fall of 1942 in order to produce the P-38. Make sure you know what your buying before you invest a lot of $$$. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

12-06-2008, 06:37 PM	#5
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	taqcfoley Interesting variation of an old Chinese saying. George I have seen quite a few capture papers and like you never saw one dated earlier then 1945. Not saying there aren't ones dated prior to 1945. The 1944 date might be a "red" flag concerning this document, unless somebody knows of an earlier version. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

12-09-2008, 02:03 PM	#6
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	I don't know if it would be an indication of a forgery. Let's put this in perspective. How many troops rotated home from the ETO in 1944 versus 1945? The Allies landed in France halfway through 1944, so there's only six months left in '44 to go home, or to send a package home. There probably wasn't a lot of guys "going home" unless they were either a very senior officer doing some stuff back in the states, or were WIA. Compare the numbers of both of those groups with the great exodus of returning GI's of all flavours during 1945, and you can easily see how rare a 1944 marked set of papers would be, yet that doesn't mean they don't, or didn't exist. __________________ <INSERT WITTY SAYING HERE> My collection: http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/guns.htm

12-02-2008, 06:54 PM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I don't know that I have ever seen 1944 dated papers.