General questions on Early Portuguese Navy holsters

LugerVern · 07-12-2007, 06:12 AM

Can anyone post clear pictures of an early Portuguese Navy holster and describe what I might look for? I am talking Mo. 910 1906 guns 4 inch barrel. Did a change occur when the guns changed from Crown Anchor to RP Anchor? Did the Portuguese make there own? What stamps might I see, would they be in Portuguese? (Oh a hundred questions!!!)

Does anyone have a picture of a Portuguese sailor or officer in uniform with a luger holster? Strange I have looked but canÃ¢??t find one and this makes me suspicious.

This is part of my ongoing research, any information is appreciated.

Thanks

Vern

MFC · 07-13-2007, 01:59 AM

Hi Vern,
Jerry Burney and I were having a discussion about Portuguese Luger lanyards a while back, and he said the same thing you did... no period photos to be found.
Mike C.

Ron Wood · 07-13-2007, 10:03 AM

Vern,
If you haven't done so already, check out the member gallery. Albert posted a picture of his Royal Navy rig.

LugerVern · 07-14-2007, 01:50 AM

Thanks Mike & Ron

Yes, I look at AlbertÃ¢??s Portuguese Navy often, Mouth watering nice!

The Portuguese have a great Naval History and reading about their ships, gunboats and submarines is quite interesting. Like most collectors I want to know the history around the guns, not just the guns themselves. Their navy was pretty small around my time of interest ( 1909-1913) so I thought it would be interesting to track down what ships received the lugers. Looking for hints of distribution has been fun but frustrating. Real information is hard to come buy, I sure have learned a lot about their Navy so itÃ¢??s not been a waste of time. I have sent letters to the Portuguese Museums but none have been returned. The one place I have not tried to contact is the armory in Lisbon, if it still exists? They may have records of repairs on the guns and be willing to share that information.

I fear that my inability to talk to them in Portuguese is hampering the research, so if there is someone out there who could help me Ã¢??possibly in PortugalÃ¢?Â it would be greatly appreciated.

We know when the guns were ordered, when they were received and how many of each was made. Their use and distribution is a blank however. I can tell you that the guns I have inspected show very little use (firing). Many show poor prolonged storage but even those when inspected show little if any firing, they do often show much old dried grease. So it is possible that the guns were not issued or used for training but held in reserve. Navy Shore Police or Royal Guards/Marines may be the answer and would explain why no pictures can be found of ship sailors using them. We may simply be looking in the wrong place.
All theories of course!

If any one has information on these guns particularly their use and distribution (old pictures) it would be appreciated. It is important that history be preserved and the best way to do that is to share the information. The guns are now over 100 years old, and so is the original documentation that came with them.

Thanks again

Vern

07-12-2007, 06:12 AM	#1
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	General questions on Early Portuguese Navy holsters Can anyone post clear pictures of an early Portuguese Navy holster and describe what I might look for? I am talking Mo. 910 1906 guns 4 inch barrel. Did a change occur when the guns changed from Crown Anchor to RP Anchor? Did the Portuguese make there own? What stamps might I see, would they be in Portuguese? (Oh a hundred questions!!!) Does anyone have a picture of a Portuguese sailor or officer in uniform with a luger holster? Strange I have looked but canÃ¢??t find one and this makes me suspicious. This is part of my ongoing research, any information is appreciated. Thanks Vern

07-13-2007, 01:59 AM	#2
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Vern, Jerry Burney and I were having a discussion about Portuguese Luger lanyards a while back, and he said the same thing you did... no period photos to be found. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-13-2007, 10:03 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Vern, If you haven't done so already, check out the member gallery. Albert posted a picture of his Royal Navy rig. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-14-2007, 01:50 AM	#4
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Thanks Mike & Ron Yes, I look at AlbertÃ¢??s Portuguese Navy often, Mouth watering nice! The Portuguese have a great Naval History and reading about their ships, gunboats and submarines is quite interesting. Like most collectors I want to know the history around the guns, not just the guns themselves. Their navy was pretty small around my time of interest ( 1909-1913) so I thought it would be interesting to track down what ships received the lugers. Looking for hints of distribution has been fun but frustrating. Real information is hard to come buy, I sure have learned a lot about their Navy so itÃ¢??s not been a waste of time. I have sent letters to the Portuguese Museums but none have been returned. The one place I have not tried to contact is the armory in Lisbon, if it still exists? They may have records of repairs on the guns and be willing to share that information. I fear that my inability to talk to them in Portuguese is hampering the research, so if there is someone out there who could help me Ã¢??possibly in PortugalÃ¢?Â it would be greatly appreciated. We know when the guns were ordered, when they were received and how many of each was made. Their use and distribution is a blank however. I can tell you that the guns I have inspected show very little use (firing). Many show poor prolonged storage but even those when inspected show little if any firing, they do often show much old dried grease. So it is possible that the guns were not issued or used for training but held in reserve. Navy Shore Police or Royal Guards/Marines may be the answer and would explain why no pictures can be found of ship sailors using them. We may simply be looking in the wrong place. All theories of course! If any one has information on these guns particularly their use and distribution (old pictures) it would be appreciated. It is important that history be preserved and the best way to do that is to share the information. The guns are now over 100 years old, and so is the original documentation that came with them. Thanks again Vern