1912 Dwm

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2006, 09:24 PM

Several years ago I showed this 1912, and have a few questions. I am thinking of selling it (somehow, I have ended up with three 1912 DWM's)... It is in fairly nice shape, and is a fairly early one (sn 1064). One problem with it is that it was relined into a 7.65mm from its original 9mm. How hard is it to "rebore" it to 9mm, and is it worth it?

There were only an estimated 10,000 made, the smallest number of dated DWM's made in WW1. That very fact makes me want to keep it, but like I said, I recently picked up another 1912 and have a 1912/1920 weimar police.

The smaller bore size I would presume knocks it into a "shooter" category, and if so, I would not beleive that it should be just a "shooter" price as it is "rarer"? Opinions?

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0666_copy1.jpg

Opinions? Thanks, Ed

policeluger · 11-21-2006, 10:41 PM

Ed, talk to Redmonds relining about....you can catch there phone number off the net.....good people.

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2006, 10:51 PM

it is interesting Howard, if I had it 'returned", it is all mathcing, down to the firing pin and grips. Might be smarter to do that.

Ed

policeluger · 11-22-2006, 01:13 AM

Sounds good....

Edward Tinker · 11-22-2006, 10:30 AM

Two pictures of the barrel, funny how the barrel is darker in the pictures, in real life it does not show up that much, (your PM box was full L so, posted them here)

JD · 11-22-2006, 12:01 PM

Howard,

Are you sure that you weren't thinking of Redman's Rifling and Reboring in Omak Washington. I know that they do a lot of this type work and have an excellent reputation.

Their web link is: www.redmansrifling.com

Hope this helps. JD

policeluger · 11-22-2006, 12:28 PM

I was, thanks for the link.....

Edward Tinker · 11-22-2006, 12:31 PM

I called them, no answer but left a message. It appears it would cost around $250 to rebore the luger, not bad to put it right. Unsure, is that a restore, as the outside is fine and it would just be brought back to originality?

thanks for the link, Ed

Dwight Gruber · 11-22-2006, 12:36 PM

Ed,

Restoration, imho. I also think that the pistol rebored would retain more value than left as .30.

--Dwight

Karl · 11-23-2006, 07:54 PM

Ed,

I cannot speak as a "collector" since I collect shooters. In my opinion the gun would certainly be more desirable if it were relined as a 9mm instead of 30 Luger, however, a relined Luger in any caliber is an alteration that I think would significantly impact collector value. I have suffered a bad experience with a relining job from a highly regarded gun shop. I suggest that you leave the gun as it is, factor in the cost of a 9mm relining job in your selling price, and let the buyer (not you) risk a butcher job if they choose to have it relined again. KFS

11-21-2006, 09:24 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	1912 Dwm Several years ago I showed this 1912, and have a few questions. I am thinking of selling it (somehow, I have ended up with three 1912 DWM's)... It is in fairly nice shape, and is a fairly early one (sn 1064). One problem with it is that it was relined into a 7.65mm from its original 9mm. How hard is it to "rebore" it to 9mm, and is it worth it? There were only an estimated 10,000 made, the smallest number of dated DWM's made in WW1. That very fact makes me want to keep it, but like I said, I recently picked up another 1912 and have a 1912/1920 weimar police. The smaller bore size I would presume knocks it into a "shooter" category, and if so, I would not beleive that it should be just a "shooter" price as it is "rarer"? Opinions? http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0666_copy1.jpg Opinions? Thanks, Ed

11-22-2006, 10:30 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Two pictures of the barrel, funny how the barrel is darker in the pictures, in real life it does not show up that much, (your PM box was full L so, posted them here) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-21-2006, 10:41 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Ed, talk to Redmonds relining about....you can catch there phone number off the net.....good people.

11-21-2006, 10:51 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	it is interesting Howard, if I had it 'returned", it is all mathcing, down to the firing pin and grips. Might be smarter to do that. Ed

11-22-2006, 01:13 AM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Sounds good....

11-22-2006, 12:01 PM	#6
JD User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 107 Thanks: 58 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	Howard, Are you sure that you weren't thinking of Redman's Rifling and Reboring in Omak Washington. I know that they do a lot of this type work and have an excellent reputation. Their web link is: www.redmansrifling.com Hope this helps. JD

11-22-2006, 12:28 PM	#7
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I was, thanks for the link.....

11-22-2006, 12:31 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I called them, no answer but left a message. It appears it would cost around $250 to rebore the luger, not bad to put it right. Unsure, is that a restore, as the outside is fine and it would just be brought back to originality? thanks for the link, Ed

11-22-2006, 12:36 PM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Ed, Restoration, imho. I also think that the pistol rebored would retain more value than left as .30. --Dwight

11-23-2006, 07:54 PM	#10
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Ed, I cannot speak as a "collector" since I collect shooters. In my opinion the gun would certainly be more desirable if it were relined as a 9mm instead of 30 Luger, however, a relined Luger in any caliber is an alteration that I think would significantly impact collector value. I have suffered a bad experience with a relining job from a highly regarded gun shop. I suggest that you leave the gun as it is, factor in the cost of a 9mm relining job in your selling price, and let the buyer (not you) risk a butcher job if they choose to have it relined again. KFS