Promising Piece...

Pete Ebbink · 04-26-2006, 12:23 PM

Nice, honest looking M1906 AE with what may be two (2) Navy magazines.

If they are Navy mags's, the asking price of $ 3700 gets much better when you consider the value of two Navy concentric-circle magazines :

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976704538.htm

Shop contact info :

DJ's Loan and Sport Inc. 10412 Beardslee Blvd
Bothell, WA 98011-3205 (425) 486-1919
(425) 489-1924 FAX

Any of you Seattle or NW Forum members deal with this shop before ? If I recall, they had a very nice decent M1902 carbine for sale about 1.5 years ago that I heard a Forum member snatched up. They had a Borchardt about the same time as well.

I stopped by this shop on a business trip but only had 1/2 hour of time and did not get to meet any of their gun folks.

Photos from the G-A ad :

JD · 04-27-2006, 03:55 PM

DJ's is a very nice shop with some great guns!!!! I stop by there every once in a while. They often have high end guns like Holland and Holland's and Purdy's, as well as your normal everyday guns. Bruce and Tina (Two of the owners.) are great people! Very nice and very honest, and I wouldn't hesistate to recommend them. Bruce has been out with an injury, but he may be back in the shop now. I prefer to deal with Bruce or Tina rather than the other employees. I can spend hours in DJ's !!!!!!

Big Norm · 04-28-2006, 01:17 AM

For people who have a total experience of 150 years, they should be able to tell the difference between a 1910 and a 1906. I would like to see more relavent pictures and better pictures without the glare. Concentric circles on mag bottoms does not necessarily mean that you have navy magazines. Saying that there is a nice bluing is not the same thing as saying that the bluing is original.

Watch the limited wording here.
Big Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 04-28-2006, 03:57 PM

Norm,Many seasoned gun fanatics are not very knowledgable about the intracacies of the many variations of the German Luger. As you know it is like studying a foreign language. I spend a great deal of my spare time looking at many guns, not only Lugers but , I don't know squat about all kinds of them. I can't figure out why they think it's a 1910 either? Probably honest folks. That's why it might pay to ask questions...Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 04-28-2006, 04:12 PM

Based on serial number, could these folks know their Model 1906 luger was actually made in the year 1910 ?

John Sabato · 04-28-2006, 04:21 PM

Gentlemen, and I use the word genuinely... let us not forget that the Swiss are notorious for their desire to keep their guns looking new... a "refinish" could still be "original"... including the little pin on the toggle axle Pete... but I think that is just the photo... the lighting may be disguising a straw pin with shadow to look blue...

Pete Ebbink · 04-28-2006, 07:07 PM

John S.,

I think your last posting probably was meant to be placed in the Swiss section where an A&F luger is/was being discussed...this discussion is about an AE luger.

Regarding the A&F lugers. They are not really "Swiss" lugers. A sporting goods store in the USA had 100 or so brought over to boost sales of commercial lugers by ordering them with a Swiss chamber marking and their company barrel inscription...taking advantage of the inherent and implied high level of quality with the "made in Switzerland" moniker.

But these 100 pistols were made by the Germans and not by the Swiss.

Author V. Bobba surmises this is the first historic occassion of luger "boosting" for comercial gain by this American firm, A&F.

These A&F lugers I would guess were never in the hands of Swiss Ordnance folks or Swiss shooters in CH...

The A&F luger on auction with RIA in the Swiss section discussion shows no oxidation or patina; thus my opinion it is a re-do.

I do not like the un-even beveled sides of the front toggle either...just above and below the DWM on the toggle.

Big Norm · 04-30-2006, 06:07 AM

Jerry,
I could understand a mistake made on a 'test' 1900 and maybe, just maybe, a mistake made on
the 1900 versus a 1906. But not on a 1910 versus a 1906. These people advertise that they have 150 years of experience among them and that is a great deal of experience. Besides, they had enough experience there to know to put a price of $3700 or so on the gun. Thats out of sight for a 1910 and even sorta high for a 1906 with mismatched magaziness (also assuming that those undisplayed navy mags have repro bottoms). I bought a very nice 1906 AE this weekend that didn't have a magazine for $2500 from an experienced dealer. Thats a big difference with after tax, earned money. Now, if those magazines are, in fact, original navy mags, the $1200 difference in price is still not justified. But my total gut feelings are that they are mags with repro bottoms.

This discussion of the dates is trivial since it may be just a typo mistake by the seller. But, given the enormous glare on the guns from the flash of the camera, not much can be deduced from the pictures to make a judgement by the buyer as to the quality and value of the gun. That is the most important thing.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 04-30-2006, 06:54 AM

Pete,
ah come on! I have never ever seen an American Eagle advertized as a 1906/10 as you do on certain Swiss Lugers. I very seriously doubt that these people would know the serial number in what year a 1906 was actually made in spite of the many years of experience that they advertise that they have. But, as I mentioned above to Jerry, this is trivial in comparision to other points that I made.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 04-30-2006, 12:22 PM

Hi Norm,

Even with the glare-filled photos, it appears that patina does show through the finish. This is promising.

I assumed both magazines were real Navy mag's so I would consider the pair worth around $ 600 on a resale basis. More if they are numbered matched.

That gets the "price" down to $ 3200.

I would also assume I could get the seller down on their asking price by 10-15%...so the price gets down in the $ 2900 to $ $ 2700...

That would be my consideration if I were to buy this piece.

You got a good price at $ 2500...if your pistol is original and a strong 95% or so.

Big Norm · 05-01-2006, 11:41 AM

Good thinking Pete. A lot depends on the originality of the navy mags. Good pictures of their bottoms and better pictures of the Luger would be definite pluses. I am still surprized at how quickly my dealer came down in price.

The buy was sorta funny. The dealer had two mags with it. When I put one of them in the gun, it wouldn't fit. I noticed that the second mag had a replaced bottom. When the dealer put it into the gun, he slapped its bottom to put it in. The pin fell out and the whole thing fell apart and the spring LITERALLY shot out on the table. I openly laughed my petuty off. The dealer just stood there holding the gun with his mouth open not knowing what to say. That helped in my talking the price down a bit and I jumped on the opportunity. I have unmarked mags at home, so I bought the piece without a mag.
Big Norm

04-26-2006, 12:23 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Promising Piece... Nice, honest looking M1906 AE with what may be two (2) Navy magazines. If they are Navy mags's, the asking price of $ 3700 gets much better when you consider the value of two Navy concentric-circle magazines : http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976704538.htm Shop contact info : DJ's Loan and Sport Inc. 10412 Beardslee Blvd Bothell, WA 98011-3205 (425) 486-1919 (425) 489-1924 FAX Any of you Seattle or NW Forum members deal with this shop before ? If I recall, they had a very nice decent M1902 carbine for sale about 1.5 years ago that I heard a Forum member snatched up. They had a Borchardt about the same time as well. I stopped by this shop on a business trip but only had 1/2 hour of time and did not get to meet any of their gun folks. Photos from the G-A ad :

04-28-2006, 03:57 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Norm,Many seasoned gun fanatics are not very knowledgable about the intracacies of the many variations of the German Luger. As you know it is like studying a foreign language. I spend a great deal of my spare time looking at many guns, not only Lugers but , I don't know squat about all kinds of them. I can't figure out why they think it's a 1910 either? Probably honest folks. That's why it might pay to ask questions...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-28-2006, 04:21 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Gentlemen, and I use the word genuinely... let us not forget that the Swiss are notorious for their desire to keep their guns looking new... a "refinish" could still be "original"... including the little pin on the toggle axle Pete... but I think that is just the photo... the lighting may be disguising a straw pin with shadow to look blue... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-27-2006, 03:55 PM	#2
JD User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 107 Thanks: 58 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	DJ's is a very nice shop with some great guns!!!! I stop by there every once in a while. They often have high end guns like Holland and Holland's and Purdy's, as well as your normal everyday guns. Bruce and Tina (Two of the owners.) are great people! Very nice and very honest, and I wouldn't hesistate to recommend them. Bruce has been out with an injury, but he may be back in the shop now. I prefer to deal with Bruce or Tina rather than the other employees. I can spend hours in DJ's !!!!!!

04-28-2006, 01:17 AM	#3
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	For people who have a total experience of 150 years, they should be able to tell the difference between a 1910 and a 1906. I would like to see more relavent pictures and better pictures without the glare. Concentric circles on mag bottoms does not necessarily mean that you have navy magazines. Saying that there is a nice bluing is not the same thing as saying that the bluing is original. Watch the limited wording here. Big Norm

04-28-2006, 04:12 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Based on serial number, could these folks know their Model 1906 luger was actually made in the year 1910 ?

04-28-2006, 07:07 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	John S., I think your last posting probably was meant to be placed in the Swiss section where an A&F luger is/was being discussed...this discussion is about an AE luger. Regarding the A&F lugers. They are not really "Swiss" lugers. A sporting goods store in the USA had 100 or so brought over to boost sales of commercial lugers by ordering them with a Swiss chamber marking and their company barrel inscription...taking advantage of the inherent and implied high level of quality with the "made in Switzerland" moniker. But these 100 pistols were made by the Germans and not by the Swiss. Author V. Bobba surmises this is the first historic occassion of luger "boosting" for comercial gain by this American firm, A&F. These A&F lugers I would guess were never in the hands of Swiss Ordnance folks or Swiss shooters in CH... The A&F luger on auction with RIA in the Swiss section discussion shows no oxidation or patina; thus my opinion it is a re-do. I do not like the un-even beveled sides of the front toggle either...just above and below the DWM on the toggle.

04-30-2006, 06:07 AM	#8
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Jerry, I could understand a mistake made on a 'test' 1900 and maybe, just maybe, a mistake made on the 1900 versus a 1906. But not on a 1910 versus a 1906. These people advertise that they have 150 years of experience among them and that is a great deal of experience. Besides, they had enough experience there to know to put a price of $3700 or so on the gun. Thats out of sight for a 1910 and even sorta high for a 1906 with mismatched magaziness (also assuming that those undisplayed navy mags have repro bottoms). I bought a very nice 1906 AE this weekend that didn't have a magazine for $2500 from an experienced dealer. Thats a big difference with after tax, earned money. Now, if those magazines are, in fact, original navy mags, the $1200 difference in price is still not justified. But my total gut feelings are that they are mags with repro bottoms. This discussion of the dates is trivial since it may be just a typo mistake by the seller. But, given the enormous glare on the guns from the flash of the camera, not much can be deduced from the pictures to make a judgement by the buyer as to the quality and value of the gun. That is the most important thing. Big Norm

04-30-2006, 06:54 AM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Pete, ah come on! I have never ever seen an American Eagle advertized as a 1906/10 as you do on certain Swiss Lugers. I very seriously doubt that these people would know the serial number in what year a 1906 was actually made in spite of the many years of experience that they advertise that they have. But, as I mentioned above to Jerry, this is trivial in comparision to other points that I made. Big Norm

04-30-2006, 12:22 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Norm, Even with the glare-filled photos, it appears that patina does show through the finish. This is promising. I assumed both magazines were real Navy mag's so I would consider the pair worth around $ 600 on a resale basis. More if they are numbered matched. That gets the "price" down to $ 3200. I would also assume I could get the seller down on their asking price by 10-15%...so the price gets down in the $ 2900 to $ $ 2700... That would be my consideration if I were to buy this piece. You got a good price at $ 2500...if your pistol is original and a strong 95% or so.

05-01-2006, 11:41 AM	#11
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Good thinking Pete. A lot depends on the originality of the navy mags. Good pictures of their bottoms and better pictures of the Luger would be definite pluses. I am still surprized at how quickly my dealer came down in price. The buy was sorta funny. The dealer had two mags with it. When I put one of them in the gun, it wouldn't fit. I noticed that the second mag had a replaced bottom. When the dealer put it into the gun, he slapped its bottom to put it in. The pin fell out and the whole thing fell apart and the spring LITERALLY shot out on the table. I openly laughed my petuty off. The dealer just stood there holding the gun with his mouth open not knowing what to say. That helped in my talking the price down a bit and I jumped on the opportunity. I have unmarked mags at home, so I bought the piece without a mag. Big Norm