Stainless Luger History

The stainless steel Lugers were [and still are ]made by the same mfg. Armas Intl. Mfg. Co in Huston Tx. Iam accquainted The owner/CEO Mr Ramiro E. Romo Jr. Nice guy. They had contract with mitchell. When it ended he got a contract with Stoeger[thus the Stoeger marked guns.] Beretta bought out Stoeger. Beretta did not want to market the stainless Luger. AIMCO manufactured some commerative 1900 style [black finish] to sell to members and others for the 2000 NAPCA convention in Kansas City in Jan 2000. This was to be limited to 350 pieces. I bought ser no 11. I got to know Ramiro at that time. I doubt that he sold more than a hand full of the commeratives. At that time he had a prototype of an Artillery that he hoped to market. A few months abo he was advertising a varity of Stainless Lugers in SGN. I last visited with him in December. I'm sure he still has them available. I can put anyone in touch with him if you desire. I like them--They are a different luger. I doubt that they will get cheaper with age--just as with the 1970s Mauser Lugers. Hope this helps some one. I once added a lanyard loop to one--looked more authentic.wheatland

Second your endorsement about Ramiro. I got serial number 27 with the National Automatic Pistol Collectors Association engraved on top of barrel similar to the French marked Lugers. The company went out of its way to accomodate the organization. As said not to many companys are willing to assist with a small order. I bet he would make a commerative for the Luger Forum, wonder how that wopuld sell,

Tracy, I would bet that AIMCO still has plenty of the 7.65x120mm simulated M1900s left that they'd be happy to stamp LUGER FORUM for the membership @$1500 a copy, that they offered them to NAPCA, maybe less by now. Years ago I traded them a Naval rear sight assy. but it proofed to expensive to copy.

[HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr]

I personally dislike commemorative guns.

They are always cheaper made, of poorer quality than the real thing.

In my opinion its to lower the Lugerforum to a very low level if the forum orders such horrible things.


The point about Lugers is that they are the most well made pistols ever massproduced. More interesting features is that the history is very interesting and the pistol itself is a great gun to shoot.

It got a terrific triggerpull and wonderfull values for a shooter.


All those things togeter makes the Luger very interesting, but what does the stainless luger have?

They have nothing, there is only one thing you can say about it.

American quality, the stainless steel luger is typical of the gun manufacture in USA for the last 30 years.


Personally I find all guns interesting that is made to high quality, so for the furture I stick to real lugers, mausers, Sauer & son's, Sigs etc.


Regards HÃ?Â¥kan



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[Big Norm]

I hate to put a bee in any bodies bonnet, But I have to agree with Spuhr on this one. Shortly after buying my first luger, which was a 1917 artillery, I started reading about WW1 and how and why it started. I began to understand the reason it started. I now have two excellent books on audio tapes on the subject that I listen to while deer hunting. I now have great appreciation for that war. That is probably the reason I specialize in the Imperial era lugers.


I recently bought a 1906 Swiss 'Cross in Shield' luger that I fell in love with before buying and I noticed that, while the gun was in excellent condition, I did not have the same feelings for it that I would have have for a navy or artillery in the same condition.


I think that is why although I have a full set of artilleries, through and including a mint 1920, I have never bought or been interested in the Persian artillery. Maybe I am showing that I am a purist but its my feelings.


Also, I have talked to other collectors who are much more into metal machining than I am. They thought that the metal work on the Stainless Steel lugers was not that good. If someone wants to debate with me on that one I will have to give in. I am not a metal worker. That was just the word that I got from other collectors who I feel do know what they are talking about. I have assumed that this is the reason that these guns never sold very well.


Personally, I had looked at the 6 inch Stainless Steel and I did not like the military style rear sight. But I will concede that I don't care much for military sights anyway. I noticed the sights on Spuhr's competitive gun and I thought that it was much better. (Beautiful gun, Spuhr) But I was trained on an American deer rifle sight so I feel most comfortable with the bubble front sight and the notched rear sight.


If I was to put money in a non-authentic, altered luger I would much more want to put my money on Spuhr's competitive gun that on the Stainless Steel luger. I have to admit that I am a purist but I have to admit too that I liked Spuhr's gun.


Hey! I finally figured out how the make the "Ã?Â¥" in HÃ?Â¥kan's name. Halaloya! On a Mac, it is a 'option' 'a'. Now I can look as smart as everyone else.

Big Norm

No one said that it had to be done. AIMCO was approached by some of the leaders in NAPCA to make a commerative Luger to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of the Luger Pistol. The owner of AIMCO obliged, no one forced anyone to buy them, and no one if forcing anyone to have one made for the forum. If you would take the suggestion of a 68 year old this is what is wrong with the world now. Someone tosses an idea out and immediately everyone jumps on it by saying how it cheapens something or someone is price gouging etc. You are all intitled to your opinions but civility seems to be taking a backseat now a days we have all become so opinionated and calloused it what we consider to be right or wrong and to hell with everyone elses rights. I bought that Luger to show support for my Collectors organization, no one held me down and took my money. I did not buy it to make a big profit or to try and resell it, it was bought for my enjoyment and if I want to buy a piece of crap as it is being basically called so be it. I respect your rights to disagree and I have my rights to disagree also. I don't usually use this type of language in a printed form but what I have been seeing lately I think it needs to be said. The forum is a place to exchange ideas freely and learn or are we now going to make it a place where when something is put forth a place to ridicule an individual or cast dispusions on a persons reasons or actions! This is my two cents worth.

[Thor]

Bob, I think this would be a decision made my the Board of Directors. I for one would FULLY support it! Thor

[Hugh]

I have seen the AIMCO Lugers at Houston gunshows and think they are beautiful weapons. I have been tempted to buy one several times, but then get to thinking that I can get a nice original shooter for $600, and that is what I end up doing! I think it would be neat to have a "Lugerforum Commerative", but personally would not spend $1500 for one. I could get a shooter Navy or Arty for that kind of money!

[Thor]

I agree, that is too much!

[HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr]

Hi guys


We maybe have a language problem here.

English is just my second language and I don't speak it very well, many of its fine differances and points will be missed by me.

I always speaks very stragithforward and never walks around a problem, those two things together might casues missunderstandings.

It have never been my intention to hurt anyone or to use hard words.


When this is said I still must point out my opinion about the forum and favorite toys.

The stainless steel american Luger is just pure rubbish, and if a commemorative is made for the forum based on that pistol the forum is lowerd beyond everything.

What now is said should not by any means hurt anyone here, as I just said the truth about an inferior pistol and not an individual.

To speak the truth and be open is a way of avoiding missunderstadings and helping new less knowing lugermanicas from being cheated.


And last:

If the forum ever decides to have a aimco luger as their commermorative its the same as the forum grants the "highquality" of one of the poorest 9mm pistols ever put into production.


Regards HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr





http://www.vapensmedjan.com

I like Tracys two cents worth.

[Big Norm]

I think that there has been a bit of an over reaction to things that Spuhr and I have said. Words like 'intolerant', 'putting down other members' I am sure was not the purpose of either Spuhr or me. While I agree with Spuhr on a number of points. I do disagree that the Stainless Steel is the worse gun ever made. I have seen a lot of worse guns on the program 'History Of The Gun'. But since Spuhr is a serious shooter and gun guy, I can fully understand where he is coming from and I appreciate his input.


But I believe that one of the purposes of this forum is to inform and to help others understand the world of collecting. There are some serious misgivings about the SS lugers and new people should be aware of these misgivings. The market place has voted on these new guns and it has said that the SS guns do not compare to the original lugers. If merely saying that is 'intolerant' then something is really wrong. I have seen political correctness in the newspapers every day and I understand how it has misinformed the public. But if you want to say that the SS guns are high quality, collector grade lugers then that is OK with me. I will continue the read between the lines or just not read certain articles just as I do with the daily news on TV and in the printed word. If you believe in censorship, then I will accept your decision. But I will also get additional information from other sources just like I do with the news media. So while I think that Spuhr's language was strong, I do believe that he is in the proper forum to state his opinion.

[Hugh]

Enybudy entrestd in a staynles baby?

[Dok]

Is that one you put under a shower and it comes out clean whenever it gets dirty?

[Rick K]

Hey if anybody has a stainless steel Luger that you don't want anymore, just send it to me!

[Dok]

[larry]

Hey guys, I like my stainless, it also fills a gap. Just wish he would make a Navy sight for my 6" stainless Luger. Would buy one if it was offered as an accessory.

larry

You and get a Stainless in .30 cal 43/4 bl. grip safety call Ramo at 832 689 4863 tell him Art sent you.

[larry]

Looks like your dream has come true.

larry