Police Lugers Post 1945 used where and by whom?

Edward Tinker · 10-08-2002, 09:36 PM

Well I have been re-reading many postings and enjoyed the one that Bill M started on rarest Mauser Banner Police Lugers and policeluger stated this:

[quote]...of course the guns saw action into the WW11 era and even post WW11 military use (would love to go into the post 1945 use of the Luger in Germany sometime)<hr></blockquote>

So, my knowledge on this era is sketchy and I don't know any books that cover this in detail or at all [img]confused.gif[/img] So, can we generate some information Howard on this itneresting topic, a topic I tried to decide on here and on post-1945 but left it here, since the guns were made during this timeframe.

policeluger · 10-09-2002, 12:18 PM

Well Ed my knowledge is even "sketcher", but I find the history interesting so here goes. The rig is as follows, and is matching, total matching, gun is a 1921 dated DWM police, grip marked S.D. VI.953, serial #4440, no letter suffix, the one original matched mag is HS with 4440 on bottom, I say one original mag, I will get to the spare mag in a second. Now the holster is a WW1 artillery cut down and police strap and stud added, then the S.D.VI.953 and below that 4440 was added to the back. This is not an arsnel refinish or import marked gun. Now at what I believe was post April 1945, the S.D.VI.953 was "strippled" over on the holster, but not the gun???. You can still read it but hard too. And the loops were taken off the back of holster and wed hanger added. I have seen several History channel doc films where what I believe too be are German police, in uniforms that were sanitazed of nazi emblems, directing traffic and so forth, with a web GI belt and a Luger holster hanging from them. I feel that this was so used and was a late war bring back perhaps from a US MP???...I just do not know for sure. And the original tool, SN to the gun from the Weimar period is also there, now to the second mag. A few hours after I got the gun at the LA Great Western show several years back I was showing the gun to Tom Heller, he said in the back of mind something told him he had, back home, a naval mag with a police style 4440 on it, he did, I bought it an added it to the rig, there was no letter suffix on it and the 4440 was over an old naval SN. We both felt that this type of use by the Germans, not throwing away good mag, was accepted use, but still was added after I found the gun. Much like the mag safety issue now going on. Hope this help and ask away if I can add anything else I sure will

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 12:29 PM

I knew I had you on the spot and apologize for that, but this is interesting [img]wink.gif[/img] . I am retired Military Police (never ran RK over tho with a HumVee) and so, police rigs are pretty interesting.

Anybody have police photos, especially during this time period to share?

Any other police rigs out there?

I can post pictures for anyone, if you can e-mail them to me? [img]smile.gif[/img]

<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 12:45 PM

Sorry Ed, I have never come across any such photos... I do have a couple police/luger related photos from before WW2, but nothing after.

Doubs · 10-09-2002, 02:31 PM

There was a message from a gentleman in Norway who stated that the Norwegeans provided troops for use in the British sector shortly after the war ended and they would have used the modified holsters and Lugers. As the Norwegeans used equipment left behind when the Germans left, it's possible that uniform items were also utilized. (Just a thought.)

The message was posted in the Holster Forum section under the title "Could it be Original?".

FWIW, there are currently three such modified holsters on e-bay at the moment, being sold in one lot.

P. Ristan · 10-09-2002, 03:03 PM

I was the gentleman from Norway telling about the Norwegian troops.

From april 1947- late 1953 we had in Norway something we called "the germany brigade". It was stationed in Germany. This was part of the regular Norwegian army, and was set up with regular norwegian army weapons. At all times during this period we had 4000 soldiers stationed in germany. The soldiers were under the command of the British RhinarmÃ?Â¨ in the british sector. During this period 40.000 Norwegians served in the brigade.

All norwegian boys must do 12 months of military service when they are 18-19 years old. Those who went to germany in this period had 6 months of bootcamp here in Norway, and then 6 months service in Germany. Most of the personell we sent down there were Military police.

All personell armed with pistols in this period carried standard Luger P08's. All types of pre-1945 police and military pistols were used. Also WW1 Lugers with 4 inch barrel. All the holsters had been modified on the back to be used with web-belts. You will never find one of these norwegian holsters matching the gun. Then it is a fake. All the holsters were modified at one depot here in Norway, and randomly sent out to the users. But other armys might have done it to, and not randomly. I do not know about that. You will probably never se a Norwegian army-luger with matching magazine either... I have seen hundreds of them, and only one have had the matching mag. I own it.... [img]wink.gif[/img] Theese lugers are not marked with any Norwegian markings, but many have norwegian arsenal refinishing.

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 03:49 PM

P. Ristan,

A very interesting Luger history lesson. Thanks so much for sharing it with the Lugerforum.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 04:24 PM

Very interesting. You served there from what I gather? Any pictures? [img]wink.gif[/img]

Although, I sure don't have very many in uniform, it is amazing how that just doesn't occur to you while you are in the military and then later wish you had some pics...

policeluger · 10-09-2002, 04:44 PM

Ristan, I hope you were not calling my rig a fake. Perhaps I was misunderstanding your post. Not a vet of WW2, but would be hard to believe that the entire US Army in Germany at that time was unable to put a web carrier on the back of a Luger holster. While I was in the Navy, about 1970, at a small fire base So. VN, we had a Marine detachment, we were really part of it, and as I recall a marine with the MOS of "web repaire" or some such. Well he had a heavy duty sewing machine and all the tools to do such repairs, I just called him our seamstress...just to get a rise. Never piss off a grunt with a gun, he had one also. I feel that the gun in question is as pure a German Vintage as they come, like I said tool, mag and holster all match, and match to type and lettering as my other 2 SD's marked Weimar guns....

Doubs · 10-09-2002, 05:36 PM

Ed, some of us managed to save a picture now and again. This was taken at Forbes AFB, KS in about August or September, 1968.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 05:50 PM

Those darn green uniforms would take some starch wouldn't they! I have a couple pictures also, one from inside the arms room, but they were 1911A1's, shotguns and M16's (can't see the M10 S&W's).

Policeluger, I think Risten was "only" refering to Norwegian unit items of wear. In a large country such as Germany, I imagine all kinds of uniforms and gear were modified and used. During that time frame, you would think nothing of modifying a piece of equipment, I sure would modify something if it suioted my units purpose and we could get away with it...

I would love to see photos of your rig? Or better yet in real life [img]smile.gif[/img] But WA is a ways from where I think you live.

P. Ristan · 10-10-2002, 07:41 AM

policeluger:
I did not meen to call your rig a fake. I was only making the statement that it could not have been used by norwegian troops. Then it would not be matching.

And no... I did not serve in the brigade in germany, but my father did.. [img]wink.gif[/img]

For those of you who are interested in Norwegian weapons:

In the period 1945-the late 60's the Norwegian army used Luger P08's, Walther P38's and some Radom M35's. All of the pistols were weapons left by the german troops in Norway after the war. In the late 60's the Norwegian army stopped using all of theese and bought 24.500 Walther P1's from germany.

In the period 1945- the late 80's the Norwegian navy used Colt 1911's, 1911A1's and the Norwegian copy of theese (the Kongsberg M1914).

In the late 1980's all branches of the Norwegian forces were equipped with the Glock 17.

The Norwegian police used all types og ex-german WW2 pistols in caliber 7,65mm (CZ's, Browning's, Mauser's, Walther's...) from 1945-the late 1970's. Then they got Smith&Wesson M1910's. They still use theese today, but only on "special occasions". The Norwegian police do not carry weapons. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Heydrich · 10-10-2002, 08:30 PM

Norway is a treasure trove of German WW2 military articles. The Germans turned over tons of weapons and equipment to the Norwegians after the surrender in 1945. And since most of it never saw any fighting, some of the equipment is in unbelievable shape. Here is some of the cool equipment you can still buy today:

EM-34 Range Finder

ZF34 Optical Sight for the MG34

Besides Lugers, the Norwegians also converted thousands of rifles for their usage. They reworked the receiver to accept 7.62mm NATO:

Heinz · 10-10-2002, 09:34 PM

I have a police rig. 1915 with all Imperial markings, and a sear safey. TLSS reblued. Numbered 8413b all matching. Thor may still have a picture of it on his home page.
No magazine safety
Sear is not relieved.

Interesting Hanel Schmeisser magazine. Stamped Hanel Schmeisser on the spine across the width, not lengthwise. Most of the stamping is worn off. Nice sunburst K. Mag has a wooden bottom numbered to the pistol and pinned at the rear. MArked with a 2.
Barrel has small eagle similar to what Jan Still shows as a mid period Nazi Army proof on the left side of the barrel. Right side has DWM style Imperial proof eagle.

Holster is blackened on the outside front and back. It is an Army holster converted to the police stud. Back of the holster marked

P. L. 9.93. {X'd over)

P. S. 194 {X'd over}

is the serial number 3732

The front of the holster is marked on the body where it is covered by the flap:
F. Grosse
Dresden-N
1915

serial number 8413 is stamped in this area.

Is known to whisper at night, argues with the holster.

Thor · 10-10-2002, 10:12 PM

Heinz's 1915 Police

1915 Rig

1915 Police Luger

Vlim · 10-11-2002, 06:29 AM

Hi,

The police luger history is certainly an interesting one, and quite difficult to reproduce, I think. Germany fell apart after 1945 into several sections commanded by the british/US, the french, russia... I think most lugers ended up on the wrong side of the German border, being used by the east german police force. They mainly recycled anything they could get their hands on. If I remember correctly, the French had control over the mauser factory for a while, in the 1946 - 1948 period, having them producing lugers (amongst others) for use in the french army. That batch was sold to the austrian police after a couple of years (I think John Walter mentioned it in one of his 'Luger' books).

Another interesting bit of post WWII luger usage was depicted in a documentary about British police actions in Germany directly after WWII. Because it was impossible to lock up and condemn most 'small time' german war criminals, they set up a special squad to deal with this group. The british squad tended to use german guns (lugers and walthers) to track down and execute these war criminals...

Heinz · 10-12-2002, 12:45 PM

Thanks for the picture Thor. I think that is one of Gerry's ho;sters maybe? Mine should look so good!

Thor · 10-12-2002, 06:08 PM

That a CMR limited production police model in red russet color. I gave that holster to my good friend Sid Gariss on the forum. He needed a good holster for the Luger I sold him! He is a very good friend. This is just like the one I gave Frank! I dont have any more of them!

10-08-2002, 09:36 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Police Lugers Post 1945 used where and by whom? Well I have been re-reading many postings and enjoyed the one that Bill M started on rarest Mauser Banner Police Lugers and policeluger stated this: [quote]...of course the guns saw action into the WW11 era and even post WW11 military use (would love to go into the post 1945 use of the Luger in Germany sometime)<hr></blockquote> So, my knowledge on this era is sketchy and I don't know any books that cover this in detail or at all [img]confused.gif[/img] So, can we generate some information Howard on this itneresting topic, a topic I tried to decide on here and on post-1945 but left it here, since the guns were made during this timeframe. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 12:29 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I knew I had you on the spot and apologize for that, but this is interesting [img]wink.gif[/img] . I am retired Military Police (never ran RK over tho with a HumVee) and so, police rigs are pretty interesting. Anybody have police photos, especially during this time period to share? Any other police rigs out there? I can post pictures for anyone, if you can e-mail them to me? [img]smile.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 03:49 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	P. Ristan, A very interesting Luger history lesson. Thanks so much for sharing it with the Lugerforum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-09-2002, 04:24 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Very interesting. You served there from what I gather? Any pictures? [img]wink.gif[/img] Although, I sure don't have very many in uniform, it is amazing how that just doesn't occur to you while you are in the military and then later wish you had some pics... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 05:50 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Those darn green uniforms would take some starch wouldn't they! I have a couple pictures also, one from inside the arms room, but they were 1911A1's, shotguns and M16's (can't see the M10 S&W's). Policeluger, I think Risten was "only" refering to Norwegian unit items of wear. In a large country such as Germany, I imagine all kinds of uniforms and gear were modified and used. During that time frame, you would think nothing of modifying a piece of equipment, I sure would modify something if it suioted my units purpose and we could get away with it... I would love to see photos of your rig? Or better yet in real life [img]smile.gif[/img] But WA is a ways from where I think you live. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 12:18 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Well Ed my knowledge is even "sketcher", but I find the history interesting so here goes. The rig is as follows, and is matching, total matching, gun is a 1921 dated DWM police, grip marked S.D. VI.953, serial #4440, no letter suffix, the one original matched mag is HS with 4440 on bottom, I say one original mag, I will get to the spare mag in a second. Now the holster is a WW1 artillery cut down and police strap and stud added, then the S.D.VI.953 and below that 4440 was added to the back. This is not an arsnel refinish or import marked gun. Now at what I believe was post April 1945, the S.D.VI.953 was "strippled" over on the holster, but not the gun???. You can still read it but hard too. And the loops were taken off the back of holster and wed hanger added. I have seen several History channel doc films where what I believe too be are German police, in uniforms that were sanitazed of nazi emblems, directing traffic and so forth, with a web GI belt and a Luger holster hanging from them. I feel that this was so used and was a late war bring back perhaps from a US MP???...I just do not know for sure. And the original tool, SN to the gun from the Weimar period is also there, now to the second mag. A few hours after I got the gun at the LA Great Western show several years back I was showing the gun to Tom Heller, he said in the back of mind something told him he had, back home, a naval mag with a police style 4440 on it, he did, I bought it an added it to the rig, there was no letter suffix on it and the 4440 was over an old naval SN. We both felt that this type of use by the Germans, not throwing away good mag, was accepted use, but still was added after I found the gun. Much like the mag safety issue now going on. Hope this help and ask away if I can add anything else I sure will

10-09-2002, 12:45 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Sorry Ed, I have never come across any such photos... I do have a couple police/luger related photos from before WW2, but nothing after. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-09-2002, 02:31 PM	#5
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,679 Times in 552 Posts	There was a message from a gentleman in Norway who stated that the Norwegeans provided troops for use in the British sector shortly after the war ended and they would have used the modified holsters and Lugers. As the Norwegeans used equipment left behind when the Germans left, it's possible that uniform items were also utilized. (Just a thought.) The message was posted in the Holster Forum section under the title "Could it be Original?". FWIW, there are currently three such modified holsters on e-bay at the moment, being sold in one lot.

10-09-2002, 03:03 PM	#6
P. Ristan User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was the gentleman from Norway telling about the Norwegian troops. From april 1947- late 1953 we had in Norway something we called "the germany brigade". It was stationed in Germany. This was part of the regular Norwegian army, and was set up with regular norwegian army weapons. At all times during this period we had 4000 soldiers stationed in germany. The soldiers were under the command of the British RhinarmÃ?Â¨ in the british sector. During this period 40.000 Norwegians served in the brigade. All norwegian boys must do 12 months of military service when they are 18-19 years old. Those who went to germany in this period had 6 months of bootcamp here in Norway, and then 6 months service in Germany. Most of the personell we sent down there were Military police. All personell armed with pistols in this period carried standard Luger P08's. All types of pre-1945 police and military pistols were used. Also WW1 Lugers with 4 inch barrel. All the holsters had been modified on the back to be used with web-belts. You will never find one of these norwegian holsters matching the gun. Then it is a fake. All the holsters were modified at one depot here in Norway, and randomly sent out to the users. But other armys might have done it to, and not randomly. I do not know about that. You will probably never se a Norwegian army-luger with matching magazine either... I have seen hundreds of them, and only one have had the matching mag. I own it.... [img]wink.gif[/img] Theese lugers are not marked with any Norwegian markings, but many have norwegian arsenal refinishing.

10-09-2002, 04:44 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Ristan, I hope you were not calling my rig a fake. Perhaps I was misunderstanding your post. Not a vet of WW2, but would be hard to believe that the entire US Army in Germany at that time was unable to put a web carrier on the back of a Luger holster. While I was in the Navy, about 1970, at a small fire base So. VN, we had a Marine detachment, we were really part of it, and as I recall a marine with the MOS of "web repaire" or some such. Well he had a heavy duty sewing machine and all the tools to do such repairs, I just called him our seamstress...just to get a rise. Never piss off a grunt with a gun, he had one also. I feel that the gun in question is as pure a German Vintage as they come, like I said tool, mag and holster all match, and match to type and lettering as my other 2 SD's marked Weimar guns....

10-09-2002, 05:36 PM	#10
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,679 Times in 552 Posts	Ed, some of us managed to save a picture now and again. This was taken at Forbes AFB, KS in about August or September, 1968.

10-10-2002, 07:41 AM	#12
P. Ristan User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	policeluger: I did not meen to call your rig a fake. I was only making the statement that it could not have been used by norwegian troops. Then it would not be matching. And no... I did not serve in the brigade in germany, but my father did.. [img]wink.gif[/img] For those of you who are interested in Norwegian weapons: In the period 1945-the late 60's the Norwegian army used Luger P08's, Walther P38's and some Radom M35's. All of the pistols were weapons left by the german troops in Norway after the war. In the late 60's the Norwegian army stopped using all of theese and bought 24.500 Walther P1's from germany. In the period 1945- the late 80's the Norwegian navy used Colt 1911's, 1911A1's and the Norwegian copy of theese (the Kongsberg M1914). In the late 1980's all branches of the Norwegian forces were equipped with the Glock 17. The Norwegian police used all types og ex-german WW2 pistols in caliber 7,65mm (CZ's, Browning's, Mauser's, Walther's...) from 1945-the late 1970's. Then they got Smith&Wesson M1910's. They still use theese today, but only on "special occasions". The Norwegian police do not carry weapons. [img]wink.gif[/img]

10-10-2002, 08:30 PM	#13
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Norway is a treasure trove of German WW2 military articles. The Germans turned over tons of weapons and equipment to the Norwegians after the surrender in 1945. And since most of it never saw any fighting, some of the equipment is in unbelievable shape. Here is some of the cool equipment you can still buy today: EM-34 Range Finder ZF34 Optical Sight for the MG34 Besides Lugers, the Norwegians also converted thousands of rifles for their usage. They reworked the receiver to accept 7.62mm NATO:

10-10-2002, 09:34 PM	#14
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	I have a police rig. 1915 with all Imperial markings, and a sear safey. TLSS reblued. Numbered 8413b all matching. Thor may still have a picture of it on his home page. No magazine safety Sear is not relieved. Interesting Hanel Schmeisser magazine. Stamped Hanel Schmeisser on the spine across the width, not lengthwise. Most of the stamping is worn off. Nice sunburst K. Mag has a wooden bottom numbered to the pistol and pinned at the rear. MArked with a 2. Barrel has small eagle similar to what Jan Still shows as a mid period Nazi Army proof on the left side of the barrel. Right side has DWM style Imperial proof eagle. Holster is blackened on the outside front and back. It is an Army holster converted to the police stud. Back of the holster marked P. L. 9.93. {X'd over) P. S. 194 {X'd over} is the serial number 3732 The front of the holster is marked on the body where it is covered by the flap: F. Grosse Dresden-N 1915 serial number 8413 is stamped in this area. Is known to whisper at night, argues with the holster.

10-10-2002, 10:12 PM	#15
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Heinz's 1915 Police 1915 Rig 1915 Police Luger __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

10-11-2002, 06:29 AM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The police luger history is certainly an interesting one, and quite difficult to reproduce, I think. Germany fell apart after 1945 into several sections commanded by the british/US, the french, russia... I think most lugers ended up on the wrong side of the German border, being used by the east german police force. They mainly recycled anything they could get their hands on. If I remember correctly, the French had control over the mauser factory for a while, in the 1946 - 1948 period, having them producing lugers (amongst others) for use in the french army. That batch was sold to the austrian police after a couple of years (I think John Walter mentioned it in one of his 'Luger' books). Another interesting bit of post WWII luger usage was depicted in a documentary about British police actions in Germany directly after WWII. Because it was impossible to lock up and condemn most 'small time' german war criminals, they set up a special squad to deal with this group. The british squad tended to use german guns (lugers and walthers) to track down and execute these war criminals...

10-12-2002, 12:45 PM	#17
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Thanks for the picture Thor. I think that is one of Gerry's ho;sters maybe? Mine should look so good!

10-12-2002, 06:08 PM	#18
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That a CMR limited production police model in red russet color. I gave that holster to my good friend Sid Gariss on the forum. He needed a good holster for the Luger I sold him! He is a very good friend. This is just like the one I gave Frank! I dont have any more of them! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."