First One - post and Pistole 08

Gunfighter45 · 04-22-2015, 10:49 PM

Ok, camera is on the charger so pic's will follow soon. I've been digging through the forum looking to see if anyone else has seen what I have or something close to it. The Good : Appears that all parts are matching. Bore is clean. The Bad and the Ugly : the top of the chamber and the toggle link have been ground. no date or makers stamp visible. I have seen one other that had this type of treatment done to the toggle link. It belonged to my late Father-in-Law who brought the gun back in 1945. That one is dated 1918. Anyone see this before or can explain why it was done?
Thanks in advance, Mike

Don M · 04-23-2015, 12:51 PM

Mike, welcome to the forum. From the little information you have provided, you may have a blank toggle 29 DWM that has not been messed with. Photos would be most helpful in determining what you have. At the very minimum, please tell us the serial number and letter suffix on the front of the frame. A description of any markings on the right and left sides of the receiver would also be helpful.

Gunfighter45 · 04-23-2015, 04:41 PM

Here's what I have....

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hope these turn out right, still on the learner's permit with this machine.

wlyon · 04-23-2015, 05:09 PM

Not sure why but the date and manufacturer have been ground off. Is an Erfurt by the proofs. The serial number on the receiver has been force matched , at least the 44. Probably make a good shooter but not collectible. If you paid a shooter price should be fine. Welcome to the Forum. Bill

alanint · 04-23-2015, 05:25 PM

Buffed and re blued as well.

Good shooter.

Gunfighter45 · 04-24-2015, 09:06 AM

Thanks men,
I paid $600 and it is a great shooter. Only the second one I've seen with the grinding treatment, just curious why it was done.

wlyon · 04-24-2015, 10:43 AM

Many times people removed the proofs etc. to remove any sign of German ownership. This was not uncommon following both World Wars. Also WaA's removed from holsters. I remember after WW2 in my small hometown a local restaurant owner putting a couple small captured German flags on the wall. He was a vet but still almost ran out of town. I am actually surprised that more luger were not buffed and ground on. Bill

DavidJayUden · 04-24-2015, 10:59 AM

A very strong anti-German sentiment in this country, particularly following WW1. People were changing their names, etc.
Just why that particular pistol was defiled is anybody's guess.
dju

Arizona Slim · 04-24-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

A very strong anti-German sentiment in this country, particularly following WW1. People were changing their names, etc.
Just why that particular pistol was defiled is anybody's guess.
dju

Quite right David, my Great Grandfather changed his surname from VonStetten to Steht after WW1, still German but not recognized as German by most people.

Lon

Norme · 04-24-2015, 12:13 PM

I beg to differ with you guys, but the Erfurt logo and the dated chamber, both sure identifying features of a military gun, were almost certainly scrubbed in Germany, by a German. WW1, unlike WW2, ended with an armistice, not a surrender, and many German soldiers simply brought their weapons home with them. In 1920 they were ordered to turn them in to the new Weimar government, and many of these guns were altered in this way to disguise their military origins.
Regards, Norm

Sergio Natali · 04-24-2015, 12:21 PM

It's a nice Luger, no doubt an Erfurt frame I guess made around 1917-1918, buffed and reblued; have it properly checked by a professional gunsmith so you can use it at the range.

Sergio

wlyon · 04-24-2015, 03:25 PM

Norme
I still feel more were defaced in this country than Germany. Who knows? Bill

04-22-2015, 10:49 PM	#1
Gunfighter45 New User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 3 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	First One - post and Pistole 08 Ok, camera is on the charger so pic's will follow soon. I've been digging through the forum looking to see if anyone else has seen what I have or something close to it. The Good : Appears that all parts are matching. Bore is clean. The Bad and the Ugly : the top of the chamber and the toggle link have been ground. no date or makers stamp visible. I have seen one other that had this type of treatment done to the toggle link. It belonged to my late Father-in-Law who brought the gun back in 1945. That one is dated 1918. Anyone see this before or can explain why it was done? Thanks in advance, Mike

04-23-2015, 12:51 PM	#2
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Mike, welcome to the forum. From the little information you have provided, you may have a blank toggle 29 DWM that has not been messed with. Photos would be most helpful in determining what you have. At the very minimum, please tell us the serial number and letter suffix on the front of the frame. A description of any markings on the right and left sides of the receiver would also be helpful. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

04-23-2015, 04:41 PM	#3
Gunfighter45 New User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 3 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Here's what I have.... hope these turn out right, still on the learner's permit with this machine.

04-23-2015, 05:09 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Not sure why but the date and manufacturer have been ground off. Is an Erfurt by the proofs. The serial number on the receiver has been force matched , at least the 44. Probably make a good shooter but not collectible. If you paid a shooter price should be fine. Welcome to the Forum. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

04-24-2015, 10:43 AM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Many times people removed the proofs etc. to remove any sign of German ownership. This was not uncommon following both World Wars. Also WaA's removed from holsters. I remember after WW2 in my small hometown a local restaurant owner putting a couple small captured German flags on the wall. He was a vet but still almost ran out of town. I am actually surprised that more luger were not buffed and ground on. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

04-23-2015, 05:25 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Buffed and re blued as well. Good shooter.

04-24-2015, 09:06 AM	#6
Gunfighter45 New User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 3 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks men, I paid $600 and it is a great shooter. Only the second one I've seen with the grinding treatment, just curious why it was done.

04-24-2015, 10:59 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	A very strong anti-German sentiment in this country, particularly following WW1. People were changing their names, etc. Just why that particular pistol was defiled is anybody's guess. dju

04-24-2015, 12:13 PM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I beg to differ with you guys, but the Erfurt logo and the dated chamber, both sure identifying features of a military gun, were almost certainly scrubbed in Germany, by a German. WW1, unlike WW2, ended with an armistice, not a surrender, and many German soldiers simply brought their weapons home with them. In 1920 they were ordered to turn them in to the new Weimar government, and many of these guns were altered in this way to disguise their military origins. Regards, Norm

04-24-2015, 12:21 PM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	It's a nice Luger, no doubt an Erfurt frame I guess made around 1917-1918, buffed and reblued; have it properly checked by a professional gunsmith so you can use it at the range. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-24-2015, 03:25 PM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Norme I still feel more were defaced in this country than Germany. Who knows? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon