Stove Piping

Clay James · 11-18-2014, 12:55 AM

I have a S/42 1936 P08 and I've had some issues with it stove piping. I think I have it narrowed down but here is what it's been doing. It will stove pipe sometimes several times per magazine. It also badly dents the brass. I've replaced all the springs and that didn't change. Tried many types of ammo including my reloads and some is better than others but it still does it.

What I think it could be is the magazine sitting too low. There is a larger gap between the magazine base and the frame than I normally see on Lugers. When I push the magazine up firmly while shooting it the brass ejects much further with almost no dent or none at all and so far it hasn't jammed that way. So, I ask the Luger experts, does this sound right? I may just put a spot of weld there and file it down until it sits higher. It's a shooter grade luger, so I'm not too concerned about a little weld as long as I get it to work correctly.

Sergio Natali · 11-18-2014, 02:51 AM

Clayton

Welcome to this Forum made by LUGER enthusiasts.
Among the possible causes for stove piping could be the magazine, but generally are due to a loose o damaged ejector, a worn extractor hook, a light extractor tension or maybe a recoil spring too heavy, last but not least a loose grip.
This is only the theory from a distance of course, still you've got some more points to consider.

Sergio

Clay James · 11-18-2014, 03:31 AM

I have two original mags, 2 Mec-Gar and one other after market mag and it does it with all of them. I checked the extractor and ejector and they're in great shape and I put in a new extractor spring. I'm narrowing it down!

alanint · 11-18-2014, 06:27 AM

All else being equal, I would say a damaged or worn magazine catch. If this is an all-matching gun, that is an issue. If you have access to a separate mag catch, try that. If this solves your issue you could them have a forum Luger wizard build up your original catch with a little micro welding.

Lugerdoc · 11-18-2014, 09:35 AM

CJ. I do have many exc orig PO8 mag catches instock @$15 each + $5 S&H. TH PS: I recently ran into a DDR rework with a similar problem, which turned out to have a new barrel installed with a bad final chamber ream. TH

Clay James · 11-24-2014, 04:24 AM

It has a few mismatched parts so it's hard to tell if it's the original mag catch.

Clay James · 12-15-2016, 10:51 PM

Results in case anyone else has this problem. This project got put on the back burner for other things but I think finally resolved it(two years later). I wound up taking the mag release and welding it up and machining it back to spec. The other day I fired 6 mags worth of various ammo with no problems and the brass ejects much further into orbit now and doesn't dent the brass. It's nice to have a happy Luger

DavidJayUden · 12-15-2016, 11:10 PM

Thanks for the follow-up.
Enjoy!
dju

Major Tom · 04-02-2017, 01:45 PM

You are firmly holding the pistol, right?

DonVoigt · 04-03-2017, 06:48 PM

Tom,
you did notice that the original thread is over 2 years old and the last post nearly 4 months ago.
He fixed the problem of the magazine being too low in the grip by welding the notch and re-locating it.

Sky Zero · 05-03-2017, 03:02 AM

since this was recently brought up, I literally have the exact same problem. shells don't eject far, getting stovepiping, dented brass, and hold open doesn't always catch on the last round but always does when I manually **** it with an empty
2 brand new mecgar magazines. it's a nice byf so I don't want to weld anything. I haven't removed the extragtor for cleaning but i think GT put in a new spring and definitely a new ejector. not sure what's going on

11-18-2014, 12:55 AM	#1
Clay James User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 1 Post	Stove Piping I have a S/42 1936 P08 and I've had some issues with it stove piping. I think I have it narrowed down but here is what it's been doing. It will stove pipe sometimes several times per magazine. It also badly dents the brass. I've replaced all the springs and that didn't change. Tried many types of ammo including my reloads and some is better than others but it still does it. What I think it could be is the magazine sitting too low. There is a larger gap between the magazine base and the frame than I normally see on Lugers. When I push the magazine up firmly while shooting it the brass ejects much further with almost no dent or none at all and so far it hasn't jammed that way. So, I ask the Luger experts, does this sound right? I may just put a spot of weld there and file it down until it sits higher. It's a shooter grade luger, so I'm not too concerned about a little weld as long as I get it to work correctly.

11-18-2014, 02:51 AM	#2
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Clayton Welcome to this Forum made by LUGER enthusiasts. Among the possible causes for stove piping could be the magazine, but generally are due to a loose o damaged ejector, a worn extractor hook, a light extractor tension or maybe a recoil spring too heavy, last but not least a loose grip. This is only the theory from a distance of course, still you've got some more points to consider. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-18-2014, 09:35 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	CJ. I do have many exc orig PO8 mag catches instock @$15 each + $5 S&H. TH PS: I recently ran into a DDR rework with a similar problem, which turned out to have a new barrel installed with a bad final chamber ream. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-02-2017, 01:45 PM	#9
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	You are firmly holding the pistol, right? __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

04-03-2017, 06:48 PM	#10
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Tom, you did notice that the original thread is over 2 years old and the last post nearly 4 months ago. He fixed the problem of the magazine being too low in the grip by welding the notch and re-locating it. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-18-2014, 03:31 AM	#3
Clay James User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 1 Post	I have two original mags, 2 Mec-Gar and one other after market mag and it does it with all of them. I checked the extractor and ejector and they're in great shape and I put in a new extractor spring. I'm narrowing it down!

11-18-2014, 06:27 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	All else being equal, I would say a damaged or worn magazine catch. If this is an all-matching gun, that is an issue. If you have access to a separate mag catch, try that. If this solves your issue you could them have a forum Luger wizard build up your original catch with a little micro welding.

11-24-2014, 04:24 AM	#6
Clay James User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 1 Post	It has a few mismatched parts so it's hard to tell if it's the original mag catch.

12-15-2016, 10:51 PM	#7
Clay James User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 1 Post	Results in case anyone else has this problem. This project got put on the back burner for other things but I think finally resolved it(two years later). I wound up taking the mag release and welding it up and machining it back to spec. The other day I fired 6 mags worth of various ammo with no problems and the brass ejects much further into orbit now and doesn't dent the brass. It's nice to have a happy Luger

12-15-2016, 11:10 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Thanks for the follow-up. Enjoy! dju

05-03-2017, 03:02 AM	#11
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	since this was recently brought up, I literally have the exact same problem. shells don't eject far, getting stovepiping, dented brass, and hold open doesn't always catch on the last round but always does when I manually **** it with an empty 2 brand new mecgar magazines. it's a nice byf so I don't want to weld anything. I haven't removed the extragtor for cleaning but i think GT put in a new spring and definitely a new ejector. not sure what's going on