Navy Holsters and stocks

skeeter4206 · 09-06-2013, 01:36 AM

I see where it was mentioned in the artillery stock and holster thread someone wanting to post navy holsters and stocks. I personally don't own any, but I would like to learn a little about them as well. I'm really curious about the flap cover on the holsters. Are there different styles of them.

Thanks ahead for any pictures the members on this forum show.

Skeeter

cirelaw · 09-06-2013, 09:39 AM

Heres one:

alanint · 09-06-2013, 09:49 AM

Curious that the Navy did not see the need for the protective leather cup for the stock's latch.

cirelaw · 09-06-2013, 10:02 AM

A good question?

Arizona Slim · 09-06-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Curious that the Navy did not see the need for the protective leather cup for the stock's latch.

Thanks for pointing that out Doug, that fact got past me. I guess I'm not very observant.

Lon

alanint · 09-06-2013, 12:11 PM

Perhaps the Navy was concerned over trapped moisture and corrosion due to their usual proximity to salt water?

George Anderson · 09-06-2013, 12:49 PM

Navy guys don't get dirty on their pretty ships.

NoncomRetired · 09-13-2013, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Navy guys don't get dirty on their pretty ships.

Norme · 09-14-2013, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Navy guys don't get dirty on their pretty ships.

Not always true. The first photo shows the S.M.S. Konigsberg partially sunk in the shallow Rufiji delta in German East Africa, in the first moths of WW1. The crew dismounted the deck guns (2nd photo) and converted them into field pieces. They spent the next four years as a guerilla army fighting the British and were still fighting some weeks after the war ended, since word of the armistice took a while to reach them.
Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 09-06-2013, 04:47 PM

As shown in Eric's great photo there was no flap overstrap or stock boot on Imperial Navy type 1 stock rigs. I think it might have been for both of the reasons and a couple more..

I never could figure why the stock boot is made the way it is..Trapping moisture was always possible, they had no drain hole.

Two different rigs that's for sure!

cirelaw · 09-06-2013, 05:16 PM

Drain holes were used as early the 1900 U.S. test holster. I guess it wasn't a high priorty in Germany!

skeeter4206 · 09-06-2013, 06:22 PM

Looking at the two stocks side by side (Navy and the Artillery), it almost looks like the navy is a bit shorter. Is it? Could be just an optical illusion and the fact one has the leather cup on it and the other does not.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-06-2013, 06:30 PM

You have a good eye! Yup..Navy stocks are a tad shorter.

cirelaw · 09-06-2013, 06:32 PM

You are correct. The navy board is 13' and the artillery is 14' approx!

skeeter4206 · 09-06-2013, 07:39 PM

Is that due to the fact that artillerys have a different lengths in barrels?

skeeter4206 · 09-08-2013, 07:14 AM

I have noticed this Navy holster, which says a commercial holster. I'm curious about the flap on it.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=14738

cirelaw · 09-09-2013, 09:50 AM

I check Joe Salters luger section for lugers, holsters and parts! http://www.joesalter.com/ ~~~Eric

skeeter4206 · 09-10-2013, 03:40 PM

Not that I was going to order the one off Simpsons website, but is that flap correct for a navy luger holster?

lugerholsterrepair · 09-10-2013, 03:55 PM

Glenn..It all depends on what you mean by Navy Luger. This holster is NOT a Navy. It is fashioned for a 6 inch barrel to be sure but a Navy it is not. Navy is a catch all phrase to boost price..not all 6 inch barreled Lugers are Navy pistols.

And to answer your question more directly..no this top is NOT proper for an Imperial Navy Luger holster. These type 1 & type 2 holsters were made with a flat flap. Not molded.

Kriegsmarine Navy's are a different thing..they are in general 4 inch barreled with a regular Luger type holster with a molded top. An Army type holster with a KM Navy marking on the back.

The holster I remember from the Simpson site is more or less a commercial holster for a 6 inch barreled Luger. Not Military and not necessarily Navy either!

skeeter4206 · 09-10-2013, 07:52 PM

That's kind of what I was trying to get at. I didn't think it was a Navy style holster, but just a 6" holster. The flap is a molded one and not flat. But they damn sure have it listed as a "Navy holster - Commercial". And for a grand, buyer beware.

Thanks Jerry.

09-06-2013, 01:36 AM	#1
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Navy Holsters and stocks I see where it was mentioned in the artillery stock and holster thread someone wanting to post navy holsters and stocks. I personally don't own any, but I would like to learn a little about them as well. I'm really curious about the flap cover on the holsters. Are there different styles of them. Thanks ahead for any pictures the members on this forum show. Skeeter

09-06-2013, 09:39 AM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres one: Attached Thumbnails

09-06-2013, 10:02 AM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A good question? Attached Thumbnails

09-06-2013, 04:47 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	As shown in Eric's great photo there was no flap overstrap or stock boot on Imperial Navy type 1 stock rigs. I think it might have been for both of the reasons and a couple more.. I never could figure why the stock boot is made the way it is..Trapping moisture was always possible, they had no drain hole. Two different rigs that's for sure! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-06-2013, 05:16 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Drain holes were used as early the 1900 U.S. test holster. I guess it wasn't a high priorty in Germany! Attached Thumbnails

09-06-2013, 09:49 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Curious that the Navy did not see the need for the protective leather cup for the stock's latch.

09-06-2013, 12:11 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Perhaps the Navy was concerned over trapped moisture and corrosion due to their usual proximity to salt water?

09-06-2013, 12:49 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Navy guys don't get dirty on their pretty ships.

09-06-2013, 06:22 PM	#12
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Looking at the two stocks side by side (Navy and the Artillery), it almost looks like the navy is a bit shorter. Is it? Could be just an optical illusion and the fact one has the leather cup on it and the other does not.

09-06-2013, 06:30 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	You have a good eye! Yup..Navy stocks are a tad shorter. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-06-2013, 06:32 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You are correct. The navy board is 13' and the artillery is 14' approx!

09-06-2013, 07:39 PM	#15
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Is that due to the fact that artillerys have a different lengths in barrels?

09-08-2013, 07:14 AM	#16
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	I have noticed this Navy holster, which says a commercial holster. I'm curious about the flap on it. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=14738

09-09-2013, 09:50 AM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I check Joe Salters luger section for lugers, holsters and parts! http://www.joesalter.com/ ~~~Eric

09-10-2013, 03:40 PM	#18
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Not that I was going to order the one off Simpsons website, but is that flap correct for a navy luger holster?

09-10-2013, 03:55 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Glenn..It all depends on what you mean by Navy Luger. This holster is NOT a Navy. It is fashioned for a 6 inch barrel to be sure but a Navy it is not. Navy is a catch all phrase to boost price..not all 6 inch barreled Lugers are Navy pistols. And to answer your question more directly..no this top is NOT proper for an Imperial Navy Luger holster. These type 1 & type 2 holsters were made with a flat flap. Not molded. Kriegsmarine Navy's are a different thing..they are in general 4 inch barreled with a regular Luger type holster with a molded top. An Army type holster with a KM Navy marking on the back. The holster I remember from the Simpson site is more or less a commercial holster for a 6 inch barreled Luger. Not Military and not necessarily Navy either! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-10-2013, 07:52 PM	#20
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	That's kind of what I was trying to get at. I didn't think it was a Navy style holster, but just a 6" holster. The flap is a molded one and not flat. But they damn sure have it listed as a "Navy holster - Commercial". And for a grand, buyer beware. Thanks Jerry.