Someone Claims, This Is A Fake One?

DonColt · 04-16-2016, 08:33 AM

Hello Guys. :-)

My name is Peter, and I live in Denmark. Recently, I brought a Luger P08 with one magazine, and all matching numbers, exept for the firing pin

The number is 1672, and the name on top of the slide, is ERFURT 1917 - so I guess, it's made in 1917.

I've paid 1000 USD for the gun, and according to the markets here, it's a pretty okay price.

What can you guys tell me? What is the difference between Erfurt, Mauser, DMW, 1936, 42?

Is it possible to find some Erfurt informations on the internet? I cannot seek anything from google

Best Regards, Peter Kristensen.

George Anderson · 04-16-2016, 08:40 AM

Peter, is the pistol an artillery or P08? If it is an artillery, it is a parts gun as Erfurt only made artilleries in 1914.

Edward Tinker · 04-16-2016, 08:56 AM

peter, lots of information here - you can read the FAQ and see the differences in makers - in the stickies - etc

Ed

mrerick · 04-16-2016, 09:18 AM

If, after studying information here, you still have questions, post a few sharp pictures taken in natural light (shaded outdoors) using a digital camera (not a cellphone) set for taking closeups.

To get you started, here's a link to the current FAQ:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=35479

mrerick · 04-16-2016, 11:15 AM

Peter, Welcome to the forum.

There is quite a bit to study about Lugers. In fact, we often recommend studying before buying one, but you have done this in reverse...

An LP.08 artillery model (which is the forum you posted in) has a long 8 inch barrel with adjustable tangent sights.

The majority of German military Lugers are P.08 model and have 4 inch barrels and fixed sights.

There are also Lugers made for commercial sale, and a huge number of variations.

If you search the Internet for "Artillery Luger" and look at pictures, you should get an idea of what they are.

Marc

DonColt · 04-16-2016, 11:47 AM

Hello Marc!

Thanks alot!

Yes, but sometimes, things just don't go, by the book

I can already tell you, that I've made a huge mistake, by putting the gun in this thread - it's definately not that one, with 8 inch barrel

JTD · 04-16-2016, 02:06 PM

Don, if the pistol functions/ shoots good, you did not really get burned. It seems any decent shooter goes at least 700.00 and up any more.

Mac Cat · 04-16-2016, 02:37 PM

You can find good photos right here on this web site, see the albums, or search of Lugers on any web browser. Choose "images" instead of "web" for best photos.

The top of the luger where the logo is, we call the Toggle.
The Luger doesn't have a slide like most semi-auto pistols.

Photos are needed to examine your guns for more serial numbers, acceptance marks, and other clues of previous owners. Cell phone photos taken outdoors work well here.

Else, email the photos to someone you know here.

Without photos, it's all a guess based on your limited descriptions.

Welcome - we all want to see what you found !

rhuff · 04-16-2016, 03:07 PM

Welcome to the forum. You will find that there are many true Luger experts on this forum that are more than happy to help you. Once photos are posted, your will receive the info that you request/want.

Do some reading in the FAQ section to help educate yourself a bit about Lugers.

DonColt · 04-17-2016, 01:54 PM

Here is the fotos of the gun, guys! :-)

DonColt · 04-17-2016, 01:56 PM

I'm sorry - I'm not able to upload Them at one time!

DonColt · 04-17-2016, 01:58 PM

Luger Again :-) it has all the matching numbers, including the firing pin :-)

What is your opinion about this handgun? Is it a good or bad deal I've made?

FNorm · 04-17-2016, 06:14 PM

Peter,

Take a look there the members gallery, in the left hand column on my computer. These are pictures of some of the better guns out there.
See also the albums.

Don't feel too badly, almost all of us have gotten ;stung; at least once.

FN

Dick Herman · 04-18-2016, 12:14 AM

Don,

Enjoy and be proud of your 1917 Erfurt P.08 Parabellum. It represents a German Imperial weapon that is almost 100 years old. It has all matching parts and a good representative appearance. It also has the notch on the receiver for the artillery rear sight clearance.

The mentioned shooter price of $700 is representative of mismatched parts Luger usually with a rough pitted exterior. I do not know what are typical prices on Lugers in Denmark so US comparison may not be valid.

IMHO you have made a good purchase for your first Luger. Enjoy it.

Sergio Natali · 04-18-2016, 03:27 AM

Peter

Come on it's your very fist Luger, and it's not that bad at all, use it to learn from about these marvellous pistols.

Kind regards.

DonColt · 04-19-2016, 02:30 PM

Dear Friends.

Thanks alot for all your comments.

I do not regret, that I purchased this gun - to me - it seems like a very funny example of that gun - and it shoots great. :-)

What About The 75 year jubilee model - does you know this gun? It's made in 1983 i guess

Dick Herman · 04-19-2016, 06:56 PM

The Mauser Parabellums that were manufactured in the 1970s are excellent examples of the Luger pistol. All quality fit and function. The finishes are fantastic. These firearms were manufactured with original Swiss Luger tooling and fixtures.

A very fine Parabellum collection can be made with lower cost than the earlier pre 1950 variations.

That is my 2 cents.

Sergio Natali · 04-20-2016, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Herman

The Mauser Parabellums that were manufactured in the 1970s are excellent examples of the Luger pistol. All quality fit and function. The finishes are fantastic. These firearms were manufactured with original Swiss Luger tooling and fixtures.

A very fine Parabellum collection can be made with lower cost than the earlier pre 1950 variations.

That is my 2 cents.

Of course I agree with Dick, and I would add that the quality of their steel is probably better than the one used decades before, so I gather they are safer to shoot.

Paladinpainter · 04-18-2016, 07:52 AM

Don,
Welcome to the wonderful, complex world of Lugers.
Look at it this way: you have always wanted a Luger you could afford. In addition, because of the condition of the gun, you can shoot it without worrying that you might damage a "collectable" Luger. I think you have achieved your objective.
Could you have found one a little cheaper or in more original condition in Denmark? Perhaps. Only collectors who live there can tell you that.
Congratulations,
John

rhuff · 04-18-2016, 03:21 PM

It is a shooter grade Luger, and that is a good thing for your first Luger(careful, they are addictive). Now just get yourself some std. velocity FMJ ammo, and head to the range. The old Lugers are fun to shoot, and quite accurate to boot. Enjoy!!

04-16-2016, 08:33 AM	#1
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Someone Claims, This Is A Fake One? Hello Guys. :-) My name is Peter, and I live in Denmark. Recently, I brought a Luger P08 with one magazine, and all matching numbers, exept for the firing pin The number is 1672, and the name on top of the slide, is ERFURT 1917 - so I guess, it's made in 1917. I've paid 1000 USD for the gun, and according to the markets here, it's a pretty okay price. What can you guys tell me? What is the difference between Erfurt, Mauser, DMW, 1936, 42? Is it possible to find some Erfurt informations on the internet? I cannot seek anything from google Best Regards, Peter Kristensen.

04-16-2016, 08:56 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	peter, lots of information here - you can read the FAQ and see the differences in makers - in the stickies - etc Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-16-2016, 09:18 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	If, after studying information here, you still have questions, post a few sharp pictures taken in natural light (shaded outdoors) using a digital camera (not a cellphone) set for taking closeups. To get you started, here's a link to the current FAQ: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=35479 __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-16-2016, 11:15 AM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Peter, Welcome to the forum. There is quite a bit to study about Lugers. In fact, we often recommend studying before buying one, but you have done this in reverse... An LP.08 artillery model (which is the forum you posted in) has a long 8 inch barrel with adjustable tangent sights. The majority of German military Lugers are P.08 model and have 4 inch barrels and fixed sights. There are also Lugers made for commercial sale, and a huge number of variations. If you search the Internet for "Artillery Luger" and look at pictures, you should get an idea of what they are. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-17-2016, 01:54 PM	#10
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Pictures! Here is the fotos of the gun, guys! :-) Attached Thumbnails

04-16-2016, 08:40 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Peter, is the pistol an artillery or P08? If it is an artillery, it is a parts gun as Erfurt only made artilleries in 1914.

04-16-2016, 11:47 AM	#6
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Marc! Thanks alot! Yes, but sometimes, things just don't go, by the book I can already tell you, that I've made a huge mistake, by putting the gun in this thread - it's definately not that one, with 8 inch barrel

04-16-2016, 02:06 PM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Don, if the pistol functions/ shoots good, you did not really get burned. It seems any decent shooter goes at least 700.00 and up any more.

04-16-2016, 02:37 PM	#8
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 710 Thanks: 2,073 Thanked 590 Times in 316 Posts	You can find good photos right here on this web site, see the albums, or search of Lugers on any web browser. Choose "images" instead of "web" for best photos. The top of the luger where the logo is, we call the Toggle. The Luger doesn't have a slide like most semi-auto pistols. Photos are needed to examine your guns for more serial numbers, acceptance marks, and other clues of previous owners. Cell phone photos taken outdoors work well here. Else, email the photos to someone you know here. Without photos, it's all a guess based on your limited descriptions. Welcome - we all want to see what you found !

04-16-2016, 03:07 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,288 Thanks: 2,703 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	Welcome to the forum. You will find that there are many true Luger experts on this forum that are more than happy to help you. Once photos are posted, your will receive the info that you request/want. Do some reading in the FAQ section to help educate yourself a bit about Lugers.

04-17-2016, 01:56 PM	#11
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Pictures2 I'm sorry - I'm not able to upload Them at one time! Attached Thumbnails

04-17-2016, 01:58 PM	#12
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Picture 3 Luger Again :-) it has all the matching numbers, including the firing pin :-) What is your opinion about this handgun? Is it a good or bad deal I've made? Attached Thumbnails

04-17-2016, 06:14 PM	#13
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Peter, Take a look there the members gallery, in the left hand column on my computer. These are pictures of some of the better guns out there. See also the albums. Don't feel too badly, almost all of us have gotten ;stung; at least once. FN Last edited by FNorm; 04-18-2016 at 09:41 AM. Reason: correction

04-18-2016, 12:14 AM	#14
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Don, Enjoy and be proud of your 1917 Erfurt P.08 Parabellum. It represents a German Imperial weapon that is almost 100 years old. It has all matching parts and a good representative appearance. It also has the notch on the receiver for the artillery rear sight clearance. The mentioned shooter price of $700 is representative of mismatched parts Luger usually with a rough pitted exterior. I do not know what are typical prices on Lugers in Denmark so US comparison may not be valid. IMHO you have made a good purchase for your first Luger. Enjoy it.

04-18-2016, 03:27 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Peter Come on it's your very fist Luger, and it's not that bad at all, use it to learn from about these marvellous pistols. Kind regards. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-19-2016, 02:30 PM	#16
DonColt User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	My Own Opinion Dear Friends. Thanks alot for all your comments. I do not regret, that I purchased this gun - to me - it seems like a very funny example of that gun - and it shoots great. :-) What About The 75 year jubilee model - does you know this gun? It's made in 1983 i guess

04-19-2016, 06:56 PM	#17
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	The Mauser Parabellums that were manufactured in the 1970s are excellent examples of the Luger pistol. All quality fit and function. The finishes are fantastic. These firearms were manufactured with original Swiss Luger tooling and fixtures. A very fine Parabellum collection can be made with lower cost than the earlier pre 1950 variations. That is my 2 cents.

04-18-2016, 07:52 AM	#19
Paladinpainter User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vermont Posts: 64 Thanks: 14 Thanked 45 Times in 15 Posts	Don, Welcome to the wonderful, complex world of Lugers. Look at it this way: you have always wanted a Luger you could afford. In addition, because of the condition of the gun, you can shoot it without worrying that you might damage a "collectable" Luger. I think you have achieved your objective. Could you have found one a little cheaper or in more original condition in Denmark? Perhaps. Only collectors who live there can tell you that. Congratulations, John

04-18-2016, 03:21 PM	#20
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,288 Thanks: 2,703 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	It is a shooter grade Luger, and that is a good thing for your first Luger(careful, they are addictive). Now just get yourself some std. velocity FMJ ammo, and head to the range. The old Lugers are fun to shoot, and quite accurate to boot. Enjoy!!