Need to ID strange Luger Carbine

Val7711 · 03-07-2021, 04:26 PM

Need help to ID strange Luger Carbine. Any books written on those? Thank You.

Edward Tinker · 03-07-2021, 04:27 PM

not really - it is discussed in several books, sturgess the most.

pictures, description are needed

what is strange about it?

Val7711 · 03-07-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

not really - it is discussed in several books, sturgess the most.

pictures, description are needed

what is strange about it?

It looks like Martz Luger. But not marked ANYWHERE.

Val7711 · 03-08-2021, 08:32 PM

Figured out how to post pics

Edward Tinker · 03-08-2021, 10:04 PM

It might be a Martz, but there have been several post-war carbines made by folks. The barrel is 16 inches which makes it legal. It looks like it has WW1 markings on the right, close ups would help, as would the top of the carbine, with the toggle showing and any dates or possible dates.

Eugene made me a 'G' date fantasy piece, I unfortunately had to sell it to afford to buy a rare Simson.

Ed

Val7711 · 03-08-2021, 10:29 PM

Its marked 1916. Have no idea who made it.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-08-2021, 11:53 PM

Alex, Looks like a real beauty. Seems really well done. No stock? marked 1916 it started life as a military not any kind of commercial like regular carbines were. Have you shot it?

Val7711 · 03-08-2021, 11:57 PM

I shot this 5 shot group , standing at 25 yards. Very good shooter. No stock. But I think stock can be found or made (?).

Val7711 · 03-10-2021, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Alex, Looks like a real beauty. Seems really well done. No stock? marked 1916 it started life as a military not any kind of commercial like regular carbines were. Have you shot it?

What I dont understand is what is the difference between 1920 Luger Carbines and Martz Luger Carbine?

ithacaartist · 03-11-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Val7711

What I dont understand is what is the difference between 1920 Luger Carbines and Martz Luger Carbine?

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Val7711 · 03-11-2021, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Thank You. Ok. Mine measures 16 inches. So its not a German made model of 1920 and not marked anywhere as a John Martz gun. I take it apart and see if I can find anything that can show who made it. My understanding is that Martz guns were all marked.

Ron Wood · 03-09-2021, 12:04 AM

Whoever constructed it knew what he was doing and did a fine job, but doubt that it is a Martz. If his, it will have his JVM in an oval on the frame under the sideplate. Nice gun.
Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 03-09-2021, 12:10 AM

Alex, Yes, carbine stocks are everywhere these days. Trouble would be finding one to match your pistols quality. It looks to be a real treasure. Take some time and find a nice stock to go with it. What a shooter that would make!

Val7711 · 03-09-2021, 12:22 AM

Since I probably will never find out who build this gun , at least I would like to get a decent stock that would really compliment it . My experience with Lugers is VERY limited , especially with custom Lugers. But this one does seem nice.

cirelaw · 03-10-2021, 09:51 PM

Are there any markings on the underside barrel. Where and what is the serial number? Is "GERMANY' marked anywhere? Pretty Gun, most likely custom~

cirelaw · 03-10-2021, 10:18 PM

Here is a Martz Carbine~https://www.gunsamerica.com/94197639...20-Carbine.htm

Val7711 · 03-10-2021, 10:32 PM

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Here is a Martz Carbine~https://www.gunsamerica.com/94197639...20-Carbine.htm

This one. Proper stocks are probably not available....(:

cirelaw · 03-10-2021, 11:47 PM

We will find you one!They fire fine without one!

Val7711 · 03-10-2021, 11:50 PM

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We will find you one!They fire fine without one!

Thank You. It is nice and its a mystery gun in a way. I tried looking for any kind of markings , but no luck. Serial number is on the left side

cirelaw · 03-11-2021, 11:46 AM

Look on the inside tang~ May say serial number and "GERMANY" if made there~Also inside the wooden grip~

03-07-2021, 04:26 PM	#1
Val7711 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Need to ID strange Luger Carbine Need help to ID strange Luger Carbine. Any books written on those? Thank You. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Val7711; 03-08-2021 at 08:32 PM.

03-07-2021, 04:27 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	not really - it is discussed in several books, sturgess the most. pictures, description are needed what is strange about it? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-08-2021, 08:32 PM	#4
Val7711 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Figured out how to post pics Attached Thumbnails

03-08-2021, 10:04 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	It might be a Martz, but there have been several post-war carbines made by folks. The barrel is 16 inches which makes it legal. It looks like it has WW1 markings on the right, close ups would help, as would the top of the carbine, with the toggle showing and any dates or possible dates. Eugene made me a 'G' date fantasy piece, I unfortunately had to sell it to afford to buy a rare Simson. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-08-2021, 11:53 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Alex, Looks like a real beauty. Seems really well done. No stock? marked 1916 it started life as a military not any kind of commercial like regular carbines were. Have you shot it? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-08-2021, 10:29 PM	#6
Val7711 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Its marked 1916. Have no idea who made it.

03-08-2021, 11:57 PM	#8
Val7711 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	I shot this 5 shot group , standing at 25 yards. Very good shooter. No stock. But I think stock can be found or made (?). Attached Thumbnails

03-09-2021, 12:04 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Whoever constructed it knew what he was doing and did a fine job, but doubt that it is a Martz. If his, it will have his JVM in an oval on the frame under the sideplate. Nice gun. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2021, 12:10 AM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Alex, Yes, carbine stocks are everywhere these days. Trouble would be finding one to match your pistols quality. It looks to be a real treasure. Take some time and find a nice stock to go with it. What a shooter that would make! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-09-2021, 12:22 AM	#14
Val7711 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Since I probably will never find out who build this gun , at least I would like to get a decent stock that would really compliment it . My experience with Lugers is VERY limited , especially with custom Lugers. But this one does seem nice.

03-10-2021, 09:51 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Are there any markings on the underside barrel. Where and what is the serial number? Is "GERMANY' marked anywhere? Pretty Gun, most likely custom~

03-10-2021, 10:18 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is a Martz Carbine~https://www.gunsamerica.com/94197639...20-Carbine.htm

03-10-2021, 11:47 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	We will find you one!They fire fine without one! Attached Images

03-11-2021, 11:46 AM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Look on the inside tang~ May say serial number and "GERMANY" if made there~Also inside the wooden grip~