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Nambu Type 14 Pistol
I think this is the third most interesting pistol on this forum, behind the Luger and the Mauser...And I had some information on them, so without further ado, here it is...
Warning! The reloading data shown in these articles refers to powder and bullets which may have changed since the articles were written! Use caution!
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I was looking through Wilson's 'Textbook Of Automatic Pistols' last night and noticed this interesting picture...The book was published in 1943 and contains a publishers preface apologizing that the war in Europe interrupted the completion of the author's work. The pistols studied are from the 1884 - 1935 period. That makes this Nambu quite interesting...
It has the general grip shape of the Type 94 but resembles a Type 14, but an early one...Of note is the rear sight...I'm wondering if the flat grip section and adjustable rear sight indicate a shoulder stock???
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I think that model may be refered to as a Grandpa Nambu but I could be wrong.
Here is a really strange bird right here: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/earl...o-komuro-1908/ Thanks for the articles!
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At one of the gun stores I shop at they have on consignment a Nambu type 14 that some GI brought back and had nickel plated. I've been considering it because it's only $300 (I'm sure because of the nickel plating).
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A blow forward design with no locking mechanism and fixed firing pin, wow! |
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Did you buy it???
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I am very skeptical of these Wolff 'standard' weight recoil springs...So I thought up a test...
I stripped the Nambu down and stripped the bolt of all but body & recoil springs...Old & new... I attached my spring tension gauge to a loop of wire around the bolt knob...Clamped the pistol in my vise...And checked initial weight to get bolt moving, and weight when fully retracted (or just before)... Here's what I got... Old springs - 4# initial, 19# fully retracted New springs - 6# initial, 19# fully retracted Here's why I'm skeptical - 73year old springs have the same draw weight as brand new springs??? I don't buy it... I don't want to test-load up a number of cartridges with 3.5gr of powder while using an underpowered recoil spring...In fact, I noticed that when dry cocking, the new springs would not always force the bolt closed...The bolt stopped about a quarter inch from closed... I'm going to order the Wolff 'Recoil Spring Pak (Stock No. 16960) contains 2 extra power recoil springs' and check those the same way to see if they are actually 'extra power'...
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Let us know what you find.
I've noticed the same thing about the springs (Both my new Wolff and the old ones that came with the gun) not closing the bolt completely - but AS I RECALL - it was without a mag in the gun. I seem to remember it being a different story with magazine inserted. As my mags are with G.T. right now, I can't confirm this at this time. |
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Edit: I should read my articles more carefully...SAOTW says the 1904 Nambu can be found cut for a shoulder stock... Edit2: I was just given a link to a site devoted to Japanese handguns - http://members.shaw.ca/tju/jhg.htm Looks promising!
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I have a box of Mr. Nambu reloads - if that helps at all I'd be happy to mic one of the rounds for ya.
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(Those would be B, G, and A in the cartridge schematic some posts above here)... You could PM them to me - No sense cluttering up the thread with more posts...
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*IF* I'm interpreting the diagram correctly: A, case OAL: .838" B, Head dia: .412" G, Shoulder dia: .395 If my terminology is off or these measurements don't make sense, someone chime in - I'm a Belly Dancer, not a ballistician! Headstamped "H.D.S. 8mm NAMBU" Be interesting to see how this compares with others. |
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Recently, I heard a theory regarding a few old nick names of some pistols in Northern China. The theory is, of course, unproven. Actually, no way to prove those nick names used in oral language. But at least, it could interpret a few popular nicknames.
Large frame pistol, which has a holster carried by shoulder strap, was called "Her-Zi", that is, "Box", regardless that holster's making material, or that holster could be attached as a stock or not, the key was the shoulder strap. So, Broomhandle was also called "Box gun", Nambu pistol was also called "Turtle box". Obviously, "Turtle" came from its leather holster's shape, and that holster has a long shoulder strap, so it's also a "Box-level" pistol. If a pistol's holster is attached to belt, no shoulder strap, then, universally, it's a "Lu-Zi", that is, a "Puller". Probably referring to the slide-pulling operation. So, there were "Pistol-brand Puller" (FN 1900), "Horse-brand Puller" (Colt 1903), "Dog-brand Puller" (a Spanish pocket, with lion proof mark, but too small to be identified as a lion) etc. This was not limited to small frame pistol. Even large frame 1911 was "Big-bore Puller", due to its holster was attached to the belt. At that time, very very few people knew the meaning of Latin-character markings or brand name on the gun, so the nick name assigned was very popular. However, that's not absolute. In some area, Nambu was also referred as "Chicken-leg Puller", obviously due to its grip. |
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I have 20-30 loose rounds of original nambu rounds.
I like the nambu and have several, including one that had the nickle removed and the grips have brass inlayed grips with a us military captains name on them. Rich, if you want a real cartridge shoot me your address.
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I guess Jerry sold his three boxes... Boy, Eugene's gonna be mad when he realizes I'm spending my carbine money on Nambu's...
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Ok, did another measurement - the case diameter directly in front of the groove .412". Yea, I do see the .407" on the HL page - if its any help at all, the 'Rim Diameter' dimension 'D' is .412" on my example also - shown as .417" in the diagram.
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If you want to read an interesting story about 8mm Nambu cartridges/brass, read Larry Potterfields story on how he founded Midway...
http://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc...ll-got-started I have seen the HDS headstamp on one of the 8mm cartridge reloading sites; IIRC it's supposed to be good brass...
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Nambus are cool
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