For Our French Fans

Ron Wood · 12-12-2007, 10:12 PM

"1903 FRENCH"

Imperial Arms · 12-12-2007, 10:18 PM

Fantastique!

Albert

LugerVern · 12-12-2007, 10:56 PM

WOW!

Look at the checkering on the toggles!

A dream come true!

Vern

Edward Tinker · 12-12-2007, 11:01 PM

wow, really nice Ron,

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 12-12-2007, 11:36 PM

Neat !

Notice the 90 degree pattern of checkering along the face of the toggle knobs...similar to the rare 1904 Navy pistols.

Ron,

Does it also have the new model extractor with the shorter "ears" ?

Ron Wood · 12-12-2007, 11:48 PM

Pete,
Yes, it does.

MFC · 12-13-2007, 01:29 AM

Ron,
Is this a new Luger for your collection, or one you've had awhile? No matter when you got it, it's gorgeous!
How do you write (jealous) in French?
Mike C.

Ron Wood · 12-13-2007, 01:59 AM

Mike,
I have had the Luger for a while, but I only lucked into the rare French manual a couple of months ago.

Steinar · 12-13-2007, 04:48 AM

Ron, thanks for sharing pictures of your fantastic collection! Impressive.. makes clicking around here more interesting

laoshi75 · 12-13-2007, 06:53 AM

Ron, merci pour cette contribution ! quel dommage que notre lÃ?Â©gislation europÃ?Â©enne, et franÃ?Â§aise en particulier, sur les armes soit si stupidement restrictive..
ps: jealous= jaloux.

cirelaw · 12-13-2007, 08:41 AM

Ron I too own a 1906 French D'armes luger, serial number#51872, Mine is nowhere close to your in condition, Could you either post your serial number or e-me snookem13@aol.com, Merci Beaucoup, mon amie!

cirelaw · 12-13-2007, 08:43 AM

PS Where did you ever find the manual, Coool??

mauro · 12-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Beautiful set!
Congratulations.

cirelaw · 12-13-2007, 01:29 PM

Yea, thats one in a million. This first one Ive ever seen. Ill trade my 06 frenchy and $$$$$, Wishful thinking

John Sabato · 12-13-2007, 03:35 PM

To paraphrase Pete Ebbink... Ron is spending his children's inheritance "one Luger at a time"...

Congrats Ron... it is a fantastic addition to your collection. Thanks for sharing the views with the forum.

I shall repeat someone else's question... where on earth did you find the manual to go with it?

the gunman · 12-13-2007, 07:36 PM

Ron in 50+ years of collecting I have never seen a finer collection of lugers. You must have worked very hard to obtain such fine guns. But I must in all truth say I sure envy you.
Outstanding collection thank you for sharing.

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2007, 01:26 AM

Here is a mini-study of the extractor markings on some M1903 French Lugers :

1st. Photo of that on Ron's gun :

2nd. Photo is from an article Charles Kenyon wrote for "The Gun Report" in November 1997 on pages 12 and 58 :

Last Photo is from Kenyon's book, "Lugers At Random" on page 87 :

Dwight Gruber · 12-15-2007, 08:10 AM

Pete,

An excellent little mini photo documentary, thanks very much for scoping it out and passing the info on.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2007, 02:25 PM

Dwight,

In "The Gun Report" article I mentioned, above...Kenyon surmises a small number of possibly 50- M1903 French guns. At the time of his article, he cites SN 25019 and 25035 known to the author. He also adds by SN 25074 the main spring (flat in the M1903's) went to a sprial spring as noted on a commercial M1906 Navy gun.

From your most recent update to your Commercial Luger database, I see some other numbers have fallen into the M1903 French SN range :

25012
25013
25019
25024
25025 (Fake notation, Santa Barbara gun shop gun...)
25026 (Fake notation, Santa Barbara gun shop gun...)
25031
25035

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2007, 04:25 PM

That "charge" in the middle photo from Kenyon's 1997 article is a bit worrisome...as compared to the others...wonder why Kenyon decided to include that gun/photo in his 1997 article...?

Especially in light of this comment made about M1903 French-marked extractors made by a smart guy on the LF back in 2005...

" The letters in the CHARGÃ?? marking on the extractor appear to be of uniform height rather than tapering from large to small. On a genuine French extractor, the Ã¢??Ã??Ã¢?Â is approximately only two-thirds the height of the Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â. "

12-12-2007, 10:12 PM	#1
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	For Our French Fans "1903 FRENCH" __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-12-2007, 11:01 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	wow, really nice Ron, Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-12-2007, 11:48 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Pete, Yes, it does. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-13-2007, 01:29 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Ron, Is this a new Luger for your collection, or one you've had awhile? No matter when you got it, it's gorgeous! How do you write (jealous) in French? Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

12-13-2007, 01:59 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Mike, I have had the Luger for a while, but I only lucked into the rare French manual a couple of months ago. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-12-2007, 10:18 PM	#2
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Fantastique! Albert

12-12-2007, 10:56 PM	#3
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	WOW! Look at the checkering on the toggles! A dream come true! Vern

12-12-2007, 11:36 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Neat ! Notice the 90 degree pattern of checkering along the face of the toggle knobs...similar to the rare 1904 Navy pistols. Ron, Does it also have the new model extractor with the shorter "ears" ?

12-13-2007, 04:48 AM	#9
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Ron, thanks for sharing pictures of your fantastic collection! Impressive.. makes clicking around here more interesting __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

12-13-2007, 06:53 AM	#10
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	Ron, merci pour cette contribution ! quel dommage que notre lÃ?Â©gislation europÃ?Â©enne, et franÃ?Â§aise en particulier, sur les armes soit si stupidement restrictive.. ps: jealous= jaloux.

12-13-2007, 08:41 AM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron I too own a 1906 French D'armes luger, serial number#51872, Mine is nowhere close to your in condition, Could you either post your serial number or e-me snookem13@aol.com, Merci Beaucoup, mon amie!

12-13-2007, 08:43 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	PS Where did you ever find the manual, Coool??

12-13-2007, 01:23 PM	#13
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Beautiful set! Congratulations. __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-13-2007, 01:29 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yea, thats one in a million. This first one Ive ever seen. Ill trade my 06 frenchy and $$$$$, Wishful thinking

12-13-2007, 03:35 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	To paraphrase Pete Ebbink... Ron is spending his children's inheritance "one Luger at a time"... Congrats Ron... it is a fantastic addition to your collection. Thanks for sharing the views with the forum. I shall repeat someone else's question... where on earth did you find the manual to go with it? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-13-2007, 07:36 PM	#16
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Ron in 50+ years of collecting I have never seen a finer collection of lugers. You must have worked very hard to obtain such fine guns. But I must in all truth say I sure envy you. Outstanding collection thank you for sharing.

12-15-2007, 01:26 AM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is a mini-study of the extractor markings on some M1903 French Lugers : 1st. Photo of that on Ron's gun : 2nd. Photo is from an article Charles Kenyon wrote for "The Gun Report" in November 1997 on pages 12 and 58 : Last Photo is from Kenyon's book, "Lugers At Random" on page 87 :

12-15-2007, 08:10 AM	#18
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,312 Times in 430 Posts	Pete, An excellent little mini photo documentary, thanks very much for scoping it out and passing the info on. --Dwight

12-15-2007, 02:25 PM	#19
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dwight, In "The Gun Report" article I mentioned, above...Kenyon surmises a small number of possibly 50- M1903 French guns. At the time of his article, he cites SN 25019 and 25035 known to the author. He also adds by SN 25074 the main spring (flat in the M1903's) went to a sprial spring as noted on a commercial M1906 Navy gun. From your most recent update to your Commercial Luger database, I see some other numbers have fallen into the M1903 French SN range : 25012 25013 25019 25024 25025 (Fake notation, Santa Barbara gun shop gun...) 25026 (Fake notation, Santa Barbara gun shop gun...) 25031 25035

12-15-2007, 04:25 PM	#20
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	That "charge" in the middle photo from Kenyon's 1997 article is a bit worrisome...as compared to the others...wonder why Kenyon decided to include that gun/photo in his 1997 article...? Especially in light of this comment made about M1903 French-marked extractors made by a smart guy on the LF back in 2005... " The letters in the CHARGÃ?? marking on the extractor appear to be of uniform height rather than tapering from large to small. On a genuine French extractor, the Ã¢??Ã??Ã¢?Â is approximately only two-thirds the height of the Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â. "