my 1915 DWM with my friends TM 08

Dieter08 · 06-12-2002, 10:33 AM

Doesn't it look great??? Wanna have my own drum-magazine! :-(

Edward Tinker · 06-12-2002, 10:34 AM

[img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] Sweet Dieter!

I love it!

Dieter08 · 06-12-2002, 10:37 AM

tried to send three pics in one mail. didn't work.only one. how is it posible, to see all my uploaded pics at rennlist? if i try to upload for a second time and add a pic which i loaded up at rennlist, it doesn't work.

John Sabato · 06-12-2002, 10:56 AM

Guten Tag Dieter!

These are GREAT photographs.

I deleted your additional posts after figuring out how to do multiple photos in the same post and edited your first post to show all three.

All you have to do is put a <return> between your image URL's for each photo. Use the edit function (pencil and paper icon) on the first post to see how the post should look to show multiple images.

best to you

Roadkill · 06-12-2002, 11:07 AM

Bremar! Ausgezeichnet! Wunderbar! and all those other words that I don't know that mean outstanding.
RK

Dieter08 · 06-12-2002, 11:52 AM

Thanks for your kind words. But you mean "Prima", not brema, it means great or good. D08

Roadkill · 06-12-2002, 02:11 PM

That's what I get for acting like I know something. Great looking rig.
RK

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-12-2002, 09:28 PM

I have one of these that is a BLAST to shoot with an artillery and shoulder stock!!
Lonnie

Herb · 06-12-2002, 09:43 PM

Dieter, how does that drum magazine affect the balance?

Dieter08 · 06-13-2002, 03:07 AM

i don't know how the balance is affectesd. i never shot with it (but i'd like to do it) , i put it only in for a pic. but i'm looking forward to buy one, the average-offer is too expensive. i wait for an opportunity. first i have to buy an ari-luger.

Edward Tinker · 06-13-2002, 10:07 AM

Dieter, are you not allowed by law to use the drum magazine in anything but an arty?

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-13-2002, 10:22 AM

Ed; I believe the drum (unlike a shoulder stock) is ok with any Luger.
Lonnie

Edward Tinker · 06-13-2002, 12:48 PM

Lonnie, I believe Dieter is in Germany, so I was told that shoulder stocks there are okay, but I don't know about drum magazines!

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John Sabato · 06-13-2002, 01:24 PM

The use of high capacity magazines such as the TM-08 shown in these photos is perfectly legal in the U.S. to use with any Luger.

Both these magazines and shoulderstocks are legal in Germany where Dieter lives.

What is not legal here in the U.S. is the creation of a new high-capacity magazine (Except for official law enforcement use)... It must be one of the originals...

The use of shoulder stocks on the other hand, is ONLY LEGAL with the same type of Pistol that they were manufactured to be used with.

For example, An GENUINE Artillery Luger can be used with a GENUINE (or reproduction) Artillery Luger stock according to the ATF.

BUT an Artillery Luger CANNOT legally be used with any other stock including a Navy Luger stock without violating the law. The reverse is also true for Navy Lugers...They can't legally be attached to either an Artillery Model stock or a custom stock of any kind.

See the ATF website for the List of C&R handguns that are exempt from shoulder stock restrictions.

If you desire to stock one of your Lugers that is not specifically listed on the ATF Curio & Relic List as exempt from the National Firearms Act of 1934, then you must make application to the ATF for creation of a Short Barreled Rifle (or SBR) and pay a $200.00 federal tax up front BEFORE you acquire the pieces necessary to stock the Luger...

I advise all Luger owners to play it safe... and don't jeopardize the right to own firearms in the U.S. by a felony conviction for being ignorant of the law.

If you are not sure about whether a particular configuration would be considered in violation of the NFA, please don't hesitate to ask here on the forum... Many senior members here would be glad to advise you so you don't get into trouble with Uncle Sam.

Dieter08 · 06-14-2002, 04:52 AM

The drums are free available on every gunshow (but very expensive). If i buy one i could take it to my shooting-club and shoot with it. Only the side-plate for full-automatic-fire is forbidden to use, but i can own it. Does anybody know, how such a side-plate was built? Are there any plans?

John Sabato · 06-14-2002, 09:24 AM

Dieter,

While I have heard of full-auto Lugers I have never seen more than a photograph of them from a distance. I too would be curious about stories of such Lugers and how many were made. If you ever actually examine one, please post some clear photographs for all of us to see...

thanks

Torquemada055 · 07-01-2002, 08:55 PM

I am green with envy ! Or is it that I am just hungry ?

I think it is an absolutly beautiful example of fine craftsmanship to see what you have.
Thank you for sharing with your fellow "Gun Nut's".

George Anderson · 07-15-2002, 10:53 PM

A 32 round pistol magazine costing up to $1100 that requires a $300-400 loading device so that a person can shoot a pistol no less than fifty years old is only outlawed in the People's Republik of Kalifornia. That's so adolescent fellons won't spray their neighbors with it.

Outside of Europe the cheapest source of Trommel mags is Australia where the ANZACs brought them home to shoot Roos after WWI. Now they are selling them off 'cause they can't own pistols...just like the Brits.

karmast · 07-21-2002, 03:10 PM

Hello, Mr. Sabato!

You asked about a picture of the full auto-sideplate. I have seen one picture in the book "Die Pistole 08", a German book about the Luger from Achim Goertz (is it true that he died???). I can't post a scan of it, because I have no scanner, but perhaps one of the other members of the forum can?
Some years ago these sideplates were sold in Germany and you can find them sometimes in ebay.

Thor · 07-21-2002, 03:58 PM

06-12-2002, 10:33 AM	#1
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my 1915 DWM with my friends TM 08 Doesn't it look great??? Wanna have my own drum-magazine! :-(

06-12-2002, 10:34 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	[img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] Sweet Dieter! I love it! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-12-2002, 10:56 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Guten Tag Dieter! These are GREAT photographs. I deleted your additional posts after figuring out how to do multiple photos in the same post and edited your first post to show all three. All you have to do is put a <return> between your image URL's for each photo. Use the edit function (pencil and paper icon) on the first post to see how the post should look to show multiple images. best to you __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-12-2002, 09:28 PM	#8
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have one of these that is a BLAST to shoot with an artillery and shoulder stock!! Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-12-2002, 09:43 PM	#9
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Dieter, how does that drum magazine affect the balance? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-12-2002, 10:37 AM	#3
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tried to send three pics in one mail. didn't work.only one. how is it posible, to see all my uploaded pics at rennlist? if i try to upload for a second time and add a pic which i loaded up at rennlist, it doesn't work.

06-12-2002, 11:07 AM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Bremar! Ausgezeichnet! Wunderbar! and all those other words that I don't know that mean outstanding. RK

06-12-2002, 11:52 AM	#6
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your kind words. But you mean "Prima", not brema, it means great or good. D08

06-12-2002, 02:11 PM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	That's what I get for acting like I know something. Great looking rig. RK

06-13-2002, 03:07 AM	#10
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i don't know how the balance is affectesd. i never shot with it (but i'd like to do it) , i put it only in for a pic. but i'm looking forward to buy one, the average-offer is too expensive. i wait for an opportunity. first i have to buy an ari-luger.

06-13-2002, 10:07 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Dieter, are you not allowed by law to use the drum magazine in anything but an arty? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-13-2002, 10:22 AM	#12
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ed; I believe the drum (unlike a shoulder stock) is ok with any Luger. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-13-2002, 12:48 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Lonnie, I believe Dieter is in Germany, so I was told that shoulder stocks there are okay, but I don't know about drum magazines! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-13-2002, 01:24 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The use of high capacity magazines such as the TM-08 shown in these photos is perfectly legal in the U.S. to use with any Luger. Both these magazines and shoulderstocks are legal in Germany where Dieter lives. What is not legal here in the U.S. is the creation of a new high-capacity magazine (Except for official law enforcement use)... It must be one of the originals... The use of shoulder stocks on the other hand, is ONLY LEGAL with the same type of Pistol that they were manufactured to be used with. For example, An GENUINE Artillery Luger can be used with a GENUINE (or reproduction) Artillery Luger stock according to the ATF. BUT an Artillery Luger CANNOT legally be used with any other stock including a Navy Luger stock without violating the law. The reverse is also true for Navy Lugers...They can't legally be attached to either an Artillery Model stock or a custom stock of any kind. See the ATF website for the List of C&R handguns that are exempt from shoulder stock restrictions. If you desire to stock one of your Lugers that is not specifically listed on the ATF Curio & Relic List as exempt from the National Firearms Act of 1934, then you must make application to the ATF for creation of a Short Barreled Rifle (or SBR) and pay a $200.00 federal tax up front BEFORE you acquire the pieces necessary to stock the Luger... I advise all Luger owners to play it safe... and don't jeopardize the right to own firearms in the U.S. by a felony conviction for being ignorant of the law. If you are not sure about whether a particular configuration would be considered in violation of the NFA, please don't hesitate to ask here on the forum... Many senior members here would be glad to advise you so you don't get into trouble with Uncle Sam. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-14-2002, 04:52 AM	#15
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The drums are free available on every gunshow (but very expensive). If i buy one i could take it to my shooting-club and shoot with it. Only the side-plate for full-automatic-fire is forbidden to use, but i can own it. Does anybody know, how such a side-plate was built? Are there any plans?

06-14-2002, 09:24 AM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Dieter, While I have heard of full-auto Lugers I have never seen more than a photograph of them from a distance. I too would be curious about stories of such Lugers and how many were made. If you ever actually examine one, please post some clear photographs for all of us to see... thanks __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-01-2002, 08:55 PM	#17
Torquemada055 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sutter Creek, Ca. Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am green with envy ! Or is it that I am just hungry ? I think it is an absolutly beautiful example of fine craftsmanship to see what you have. Thank you for sharing with your fellow "Gun Nut's". __________________ Always remember those who came before, they are the reason we can do the things we do.

07-15-2002, 10:53 PM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	A 32 round pistol magazine costing up to $1100 that requires a $300-400 loading device so that a person can shoot a pistol no less than fifty years old is only outlawed in the People's Republik of Kalifornia. That's so adolescent fellons won't spray their neighbors with it. Outside of Europe the cheapest source of Trommel mags is Australia where the ANZACs brought them home to shoot Roos after WWI. Now they are selling them off 'cause they can't own pistols...just like the Brits.

07-21-2002, 03:10 PM	#19
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, Mr. Sabato! You asked about a picture of the full auto-sideplate. I have seen one picture in the book "Die Pistole 08", a German book about the Luger from Achim Goertz (is it true that he died???). I can't post a scan of it, because I have no scanner, but perhaps one of the other members of the forum can? Some years ago these sideplates were sold in Germany and you can find them sometimes in ebay. __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

07-21-2002, 03:58 PM	#20
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	__________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."