Gold Luger - Does Anyone Know Anything About This Luger

Daddydogg · 05-16-2015, 10:48 PM

Does anyone know anything about this Luger? I am interested in knowing what is the translation on the left grip award plate is. The picture is not very clear but any translation or a partial would be helpful. Enquiring minds want to know. The picture is from an internet google search for "gold engraved luger". Thanks.

Daddydogg

Edward Tinker · 05-16-2015, 11:16 PM

Rock Island
http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/51/lid/1584

I like the grips, the rest is nice, just don't like the gold

It has a police sear safety, so I would say GI post war, but would like to know what the inscription says also

oh, found below

Description

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What an exceptional example of certainly a "One Of A Kind" WWII German Mauser factory engraved and gold plated Luger pistol. This Luger pistol was owned and presented by two prominent Nazi party members with long time association or affiliations to Adolf Hitler and his rise to power in the early 1930s. Joachim von Ribbentrop was the son of a German Army officer who was born in Wesel Germany in 1893. ...
The side plate also has a small coat of arms of the Von Papen family. The dark walnut grips have also been hand carved in a large Oak Leaf and Acorn pattern and the left grip carries a small 1 1/2 X 2 1/2 inscription plate that reads; "Seiner Exzellenz/Herrn Botshafter Franz von Papen/in tiefster Verehrung/uberreicht von Joachim von Ribbentrop/Aussenminister des Deutchen Reiches", translated reads, "His Excellency/the Honorable Ambassador Franz von Papen/in deepest dedication/given by Joachim von Ribbentrop/Foreign Minister of the German Reich". This Luger is accompanied by a copy of short letter dated 1986 from Dr. Rolf Gminder a consultant to the Mauser-Werkes factory who had viewed the pistol noting that it was fully engraved in a very high quality style probably executed in Suhl Thuringia and that the gun itself has been gold-plated in the old fashion done around the 1939/1940 in the heat process (Feuervergoldung). This Luger is accompanied by an original Mauser factory leatherette case with green felt interior, that has individual compartments that holds two gold plated magazines the gold plated and carved handle cleaning rod, the gold plate take down tool and a gold plated punch.

Daddydogg · 05-17-2015, 01:11 AM

Thanks Ed. I knew somebody on the forum would have the answer to my question. This gun is drop dead gorgeous.

Zorba · 05-17-2015, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddydogg

This gun is drop dead gorgeous.

I like it too!

Sergio Natali · 05-17-2015, 03:50 AM

I share Edward point of view.

Herebelow I'll paste again a very interesting link about Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor ! by Klaus Leibnitz, I think it's worth reading it.

http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...ols_17.09.04-1

Sergio

Zorba · 05-17-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

I share Edward point of view.

Herebelow I'll paste again a very interesting link about Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor ! by Klaus Leibnitz, I think it's worth reading it.

http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...ols_17.09.04-1

Sergio

A very interesting quote from this whitepaper:

"The term Parabellum Pistole (from the Latin phrase for war) was derived from the telegraphic address of the manufacturer DWM"

Emphasis mine - does anyone know anything about this? First time I've heard it...

Edward Tinker · 05-17-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zormpas

A very interesting quote from this whitepaper:

"The term Parabellum Pistole (from the Latin phrase for war) was derived from the telegraphic address of the manufacturer DWM"

Emphasis mine - does anyone know anything about this? First time I've heard it...

tsk, tsk - its in all the older books and I am sure newer ones, plus 2 or 3 user members signature lines

Zorba · 05-18-2015, 03:29 PM

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some other people say that it was the DWM telegraphic address (Parabellum Berlin)

Guys, I added the emphasis for a reason - I know what parabellum means, what about DWM's "telegraphic address"? From Sergio's quote, I ASS-U-ME the address indeed was "Parabellum"...

DavidJayUden · 05-17-2015, 09:05 AM

Yah, yah, yah, but how's it shoot?
dju

alvin · 05-17-2015, 10:26 AM

Back two years ago, a friend wants to buy his first pistol and asked me "what's the price range of pistols".. I told him "most of them were a few hundred, but some expensive pistols could cost buyer tens of thousands".. He's very surprised and tried to imagine what an expensive one should look like, "Is luxury pistol decorated with gemstones?".. "No. They are usually decorated with engraving on steel. They are special interest items, not guns in conventional sense anymore".

Sergio Natali · 05-17-2015, 02:34 PM

"Para bellum" means prepare for war, coming from the Latin proverb "si vis pacem para bellum " if you want peace prepare for the war. Was the code name of Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionenfabrik with the German War Cabinet, some other people say that it was the DWM telegraphic address (Parabellum Berlin).

Sergio

Vlim · 05-18-2015, 06:09 PM

It was. But it was also a brand name of DWM.
I own a 1904 copy of a DWM letter with the Parabellum telegraph address.

sheepherder · 05-18-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddydogg

The picture is from an internet google search for "gold engraved luger".

I agree that an engraved Luger, with gold plating, is the ultimate in gauche...

But it could be worse...It could be a Type 14 with water buffalo horn grips...

alvin · 05-18-2015, 09:35 PM

Just re-read Preface and Chapter I of "Parabellum is back 1945-2000" (just ordered such a pistol, not arrived yet). The book explained the exotic word "Parabellum" -- it's DWM's brand name. To promote this brand, DWM adopted it as the company's telegraph address. Make lots of sense.

Bought the pistol, partially because it worked great in my memory, partially because I have this book

Reading a gun book without a sample in hand is a little bit boring..

Sergio Natali · 05-19-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zormpas

Guys, I added the emphasis for a reason - I know what parabellum means, what about DWM's "telegraphic address"? From Sergio's quote, I ASS-U-ME the address indeed was "Parabellum"...

Positive, as Alvin and Vlim explained: "Parabellum, Berlin"

Sergio

Zorba · 05-19-2015, 03:00 PM

How cool! Kinda like Steinway's stock symbol of "LVB" for Luwig Van Beethoven!

Vlim · 05-19-2015, 07:00 PM

Here ya go

Sergio Natali · 05-20-2015, 05:42 AM

Vlim

Great, that's really something special to have and keep!

Sergio

DonVoigt · 05-20-2015, 08:54 AM

Not unusual for a "wire" address back in the day;
remember - from the '60s-

Wire
Paladin - San Francisco

?

05-17-2015, 03:50 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I share Edward point of view. Herebelow I'll paste again a very interesting link about Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor ! by Klaus Leibnitz, I think it's worth reading it. http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...ols_17.09.04-1 Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-17-2015, 02:34 PM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	"Para bellum" means prepare for war, coming from the Latin proverb "si vis pacem para bellum " if you want peace prepare for the war. Was the code name of Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionenfabrik with the German War Cabinet, some other people say that it was the DWM telegraphic address (Parabellum Berlin). Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-20-2015, 05:42 AM	#18
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Vlim Great, that's really something special to have and keep! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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05-17-2015, 01:11 AM	#3
Daddydogg User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 69 Thanks: 35 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Thanks Ed. I knew somebody on the forum would have the answer to my question. This gun is drop dead gorgeous.

05-17-2015, 09:05 AM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Yah, yah, yah, but how's it shoot? dju

05-17-2015, 10:26 AM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Back two years ago, a friend wants to buy his first pistol and asked me "what's the price range of pistols".. I told him "most of them were a few hundred, but some expensive pistols could cost buyer tens of thousands".. He's very surprised and tried to imagine what an expensive one should look like, "Is luxury pistol decorated with gemstones?".. "No. They are usually decorated with engraving on steel. They are special interest items, not guns in conventional sense anymore".

05-18-2015, 06:09 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	It was. But it was also a brand name of DWM. I own a 1904 copy of a DWM letter with the Parabellum telegraph address.

05-18-2015, 09:35 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just re-read Preface and Chapter I of "Parabellum is back 1945-2000" (just ordered such a pistol, not arrived yet). The book explained the exotic word "Parabellum" -- it's DWM's brand name. To promote this brand, DWM adopted it as the company's telegraph address. Make lots of sense. Bought the pistol, partially because it worked great in my memory, partially because I have this book Reading a gun book without a sample in hand is a little bit boring..

05-19-2015, 03:00 PM	#16
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	How cool! Kinda like Steinway's stock symbol of "LVB" for Luwig Van Beethoven!

05-20-2015, 08:54 AM	#19
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Not unusual for a "wire" address back in the day; remember - from the '60s- Wire Paladin - San Francisco ?