Plastic grips for Wooden

renaissance · 06-27-2001, 10:11 AM

I have a 1940 "42" All Matching (maybe 60% finish) Luger.

[ Interesting side line > the gun has minor pitting on the side of the frame, that my gunsmith says is characteristicly similar to the type caused by "BLOOD" >> HMMM.....]

I have had it for 40 years.

I am not a collector, but I love this pistol and enjoy shooting it.

I shoot it regularly and It hardly ever malfunctions.

It has black "plastic" grips.

I am sure they are "original" and in "good" condition.

I would like to replace them with "Wooden" grips.

Again, I am a "Shooter" not a Collector"

Where can I get an inexpensive (repro is fine) pair of good quality grips.

Anybody interested in a "trade" ?

On a slightly different (but related subject):

What ARE "Black Widow" 'S?

How (if at all) are they different from the "Bakelite" grips I have?

Not a collector

Just a lover.

John Sabato · 06-27-2001, 01:09 PM

stored on the same side in a place where moisture collected between the storage surface and the pistol...

Marvin · 06-27-2001, 02:07 PM

Renaissance,

The blood pitting is normally has a "watery" appearance to the pitted area and is void of any bluing. It does not have the "peppery" pitting that you usually see and are accustomed to on a firearm. It is amazing how acid blood actually is and if it is not wiped from the blued surface very quickly and oil applied, the bluing will be gone in that area. If you have any photos that you can post on the Forum, we can determine very quick if it is bllod or water type pitting.

Marvin

BILL · 06-27-2001, 02:21 PM

You are probably right, John, but in the modern scope of things.."Blood-rust" makes those spots so much more acceptable. Afterall, it's got nazi era proofs, right? (Oh, those sinister, wicked, evil Lugers...$$$$$$).

John Sabato · 06-27-2001, 03:00 PM

by placing it directly on the glass... That works as well or better than an inexpensive digital camera.

Scan at about 100 dpi and work your way up if necessary to higher resolutions until the pitting you describe is visible in the scan.

There is an 80K file size limit on graphics uploaded to the forum server, but you can post them anywhere you have web space and just link to them if they are larger than that.

-JS

renaissance · 06-27-2001, 04:41 PM

Re my "Bloody" Luger:

It IS "Wattery" rather than "Peppery"

The GunSmith at first thought it might have been "welding" but it was only on the outside surface without any indication of it inside or anywhere else.

It is on BOTH sidesof the frame

(mades it unlikely it was from storage on one side)

On the safety side it is on the flat panel just below where the slide rides.

On the other (right side when in shooting position) it is on the narrow "rail" again just below where the slide rides.

The more I think about it and consider the ideas offered here; the more I think it WAS BLOOD. Lots of it.

I will try to "Scan it" like suggested

PS: re my original post:

I am still wondering about the "Black Widow"

BILL · 06-27-2001, 05:34 PM

No offense intended on what the discoloration to the finish was caused by. It is just that over the years I have seen many Lugers that, due to improper storage, have had a poor finish. Often the seller of a pistol will point out that it is probably from blood. I have also seen cowboy pistols with grips that look like somebody nailed barbed wire with them. Somehow this gets translated into 'notches' filed for all the guys the original 'gunslinger' had to kill in the saloons. Bottom line, there is a lot of hype and myth that go along with the gun collecting business.

renaissance · 06-27-2001, 05:54 PM

Re: The "Bloody" Luger

Here are the scans

Can anyone tell much from them?

?????

How do I insert a .jpg into a message.

I dont have a url to post them to?

Marvin · 06-28-2001, 06:43 AM

Renaissance sent me the photos of his pistol to my home computer last night. He did not know how to add the photos to the Forum (I don't either). I did look at them and the pitting is definetly from blood. They are "watery" or "puddled" looking and this always indicated blood pitting rather than water pitting.

If Dok or one of the other computer wizards can tell renaissance how to post the photos on the Forum, it would be nice for all to see the pistol; very nice.

Marvin

renaissance · 06-28-2001, 07:09 AM

None taken !

renaissance · 06-28-2001, 07:23 AM

No Offense taken !

Objective opinions are always welcome

John Sabato · 06-29-2001, 10:36 AM

The upload link is at the top of the main discussion page. Just copy the URL you are presented with after a succesful download, and paste it in the Optional Image URL: space at the bottom of a message post window...

works like a champ...

-JS

06-27-2001, 10:11 AM	#1
renaissance User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Plastic grips for Wooden I have a 1940 "42" All Matching (maybe 60% finish) Luger. [ Interesting side line > the gun has minor pitting on the side of the frame, that my gunsmith says is characteristicly similar to the type caused by "BLOOD" >> HMMM.....] I have had it for 40 years. I am not a collector, but I love this pistol and enjoy shooting it. I shoot it regularly and It hardly ever malfunctions. It has black "plastic" grips. I am sure they are "original" and in "good" condition. I would like to replace them with "Wooden" grips. Again, I am a "Shooter" not a Collector" Where can I get an inexpensive (repro is fine) pair of good quality grips. Anybody interested in a "trade" ? On a slightly different (but related subject): What ARE "Black Widow" 'S? How (if at all) are they different from the "Bakelite" grips I have? Not a collector Just a lover.

06-27-2001, 10:46 AM	#2
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	We all feell that the best grips in the US... Dok http://209.25.36.37/Parabellum/TheJewel.jpg

06-27-2001, 01:09 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Pitting on the frame side can probably be attributed to being stored on the same side in a place where moisture collected between the storage surface and the pistol...

06-27-2001, 02:07 PM	#4
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Plastic grips for Wooden Renaissance, The blood pitting is normally has a "watery" appearance to the pitted area and is void of any bluing. It does not have the "peppery" pitting that you usually see and are accustomed to on a firearm. It is amazing how acid blood actually is and if it is not wiped from the blued surface very quickly and oil applied, the bluing will be gone in that area. If you have any photos that you can post on the Forum, we can determine very quick if it is bllod or water type pitting. Marvin

06-27-2001, 02:21 PM	#5
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pitting on the frame side can probably be attributed to being You are probably right, John, but in the modern scope of things.."Blood-rust" makes those spots so much more acceptable. Afterall, it's got nazi era proofs, right? (Oh, those sinister, wicked, evil Lugers...$$$$$$).

06-27-2001, 03:00 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	If you don't have a digital camera you can scan the pistol by placing it directly on the glass... That works as well or better than an inexpensive digital camera. Scan at about 100 dpi and work your way up if necessary to higher resolutions until the pitting you describe is visible in the scan. There is an 80K file size limit on graphics uploaded to the forum server, but you can post them anywhere you have web space and just link to them if they are larger than that. -JS

06-27-2001, 04:41 PM	#7
renaissance User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Plastic grips for Wooden Re my "Bloody" Luger: It IS "Wattery" rather than "Peppery" The GunSmith at first thought it might have been "welding" but it was only on the outside surface without any indication of it inside or anywhere else. It is on BOTH sidesof the frame (mades it unlikely it was from storage on one side) On the safety side it is on the flat panel just below where the slide rides. On the other (right side when in shooting position) it is on the narrow "rail" again just below where the slide rides. The more I think about it and consider the ideas offered here; the more I think it WAS BLOOD. Lots of it. I will try to "Scan it" like suggested PS: re my original post: I am still wondering about the "Black Widow"

06-27-2001, 05:34 PM	#8
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pitting on the frame side can probably be attributed to being No offense intended on what the discoloration to the finish was caused by. It is just that over the years I have seen many Lugers that, due to improper storage, have had a poor finish. Often the seller of a pistol will point out that it is probably from blood. I have also seen cowboy pistols with grips that look like somebody nailed barbed wire with them. Somehow this gets translated into 'notches' filed for all the guys the original 'gunslinger' had to kill in the saloons. Bottom line, there is a lot of hype and myth that go along with the gun collecting business.

06-27-2001, 05:54 PM	#9
renaissance User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If you don't have a digital camera you can scan the pistol Re: The "Bloody" Luger Here are the scans Can anyone tell much from them? ????? How do I insert a .jpg into a message. I dont have a url to post them to?

06-28-2001, 06:43 AM	#10
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Plastic grips for Wooden Renaissance sent me the photos of his pistol to my home computer last night. He did not know how to add the photos to the Forum (I don't either). I did look at them and the pitting is definetly from blood. They are "watery" or "puddled" looking and this always indicated blood pitting rather than water pitting. If Dok or one of the other computer wizards can tell renaissance how to post the photos on the Forum, it would be nice for all to see the pistol; very nice. Marvin

06-28-2001, 07:09 AM	#11
renaissance User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pitting on the frame side can probably be attributed to being None taken !

06-28-2001, 07:23 AM	#12
renaissance User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pitting on the frame side can probably be attributed to being No Offense taken ! Objective opinions are always welcome

06-29-2001, 10:36 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	jpg files of less than 80K can be posted here The upload link is at the top of the main discussion page. Just copy the URL you are presented with after a succesful download, and paste it in the Optional Image URL: space at the bottom of a message post window... works like a champ... -JS

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